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Alt Abuse

Discussion in 'Design Discussions' started by kilrain, 27 May 2019.

  1. Hook

    Hook Chosen of Khamset
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    why not just make free accounts auto log out after a period of time, without telling the user??? would force people to tab over every 2 minutes and move the alt if they want to keep it logged in.
     
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  2. JEDIMind

    JEDIMind Black Knight
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    Why not summon champs like the old devils with mystic essences. Dont even have to make them gm controlled.

    Cash shop item - champ summon pots?
     
  3. The Red King

    The Red King Obsidian Golem
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    I like if you log out in a dungeon it ports you to your bind spot, also if you log out it should be the same time as recall - a little over 1 minute.

    A person who hasn't moved in X minutes get logged out and ported to bind stone

    1 Client per computer

    Show Number count at Champs would be cool / maybe vcps? Might be too carebear though

    I wouldn't mind the can only mark a runestone at chaos stones - would provide some open world PVP which we definitely need.
     
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  4. Billy Lee

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    This is pretty much how I feel too. The champion part is more tricky, of course.
     
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  5. Oresmacker

    Oresmacker Obsidian Golem
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    So I wouldn’t be able to trade from my crafter to my destro account? I would have to have a friend help trade from myself to myself?
     
  6. Blaze

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    They aren’t in the same clan? I usually just trade through clan bank between accounts.
     
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  7. Oresmacker

    Oresmacker Obsidian Golem
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    Negative they are not, and some of the things I trade back and forth are worth more than some people’s full banks.

    No matter what clan I’m in I won’t risk it
     
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  8. Blaze

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    Gotcha I can see how this could become an issue
     
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  9. WithoutShame

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    Is BPG actually surprised this alt abuse crap is taking place? What the hell did you guys expect to happen when you made the game free to play??

    All you can do is try to patch the individual issues as you can. Have people who log out in dungeons spawn outside the dungeon. Once a champ spawn is started, have every player in radius show up on everyones minimap.

    Doesn't fix things like people putting alts near all the good spawns, but it's a start at least.

    And this 1 account per computer crap won't work. People can login VM's. Or they can have multiple computers controlled remotely. There is just too many ways to abuse it, it's just not worth the time spent implementing it when people will get around it so easily.
     
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  10. Oresmacker

    Oresmacker Obsidian Golem
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    Like in my mind, I’m helping fund the game. I have 4 accounts. Rarely do I camp spawns but when I do I kill the mob. Not use it to jump people. So I’m the one getting jumped.

    All of mine are subbed by the way- maybe make it to where you can only have subbed accounts running?
     
  11. JasperHawkins

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    Yup
     
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  12. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    No. It's a pvp game of course people will try to take advantage of every little thing they can. Why ask such a silly question?

    Thanks for the other input though.
     
  13. Sero

    Sero Menhir Sentinal
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    Logging out is a free silent bindstone recall when you're hiding from someone in a dungeon? NTY. I'd rather they get kicked out the exit.
     
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  14. Blaze

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    Nah for sure I made a suggestion a while back in discord, pretty much u can have as many paid account on but u can only have one account logged on it it’s not premium, so if u gonna use an alt at least u got to buy for it
     
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  15. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    That was the concern when it came up on discord and someone mentioned booting to a chaos stone. Still feels like a get away ticket though.
     
  16. Void

    Void Varangian Warthane
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    remove runebooks full bindstone revert
     
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  17. BeatIt

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    thing hes runebook are fine... but i never tho u would be able to carry or have UNLIMITED runebook to fucking recall everywhere.,.... it should have been only 1 runebook per account that cant be trade whit 8 slot to mark and the cash shop one whit 12 or something.

    but BPG likes to make shit bad sometimes and waste time.

    lets this thread right now.... only 1 client per pc u fix 95% of the problem
     
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  18. Billy Lee

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    A couple of things I don't like about getting booted just outside of the dungeon is it allows the alt to quickly get back inside and you login with a minute long shield which you can use to scout the area and log back out if there is danger, plus you could just stay logged out for fifteen minutes or so to make sure they're gone. Getting booted to the bindstone means you need to head all the way back to the dungeon, every time, I imagine that would wear most people down.
     
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  19. WithoutShame

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    Why ask such a silly question? Because you guys made this game free to play months ago and you are just asking now for ideas on how to combat this obvious abuse. Wouldn't the smart thing to do have been to have a plan in place to combat the abuse of the new system you were going to rollout before rolling it out if you knew the abuse was going to happen?
     
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  20. Volfen

    Volfen Chosen of Khamset
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    This is what I'd do:
    • Logging out inside a mob dungeon or within a mob spawn/champion spawn radius (and then some?) now takes 3 minutes and sends you back to your bindstone.
    • Someone who's logging out or disconnected makes recall noise.
    • Chaos stones close to good spawns removed (example: Leenspar Golem)
    This would help deal with scout alts being logged out inside dungeons or at good spawns. Would make it a lot more tedious to take advantage of, probably to the point it's not worth it.
    • Gear requirements for tier 3 increased significantly, tier 3 vcp loot nerfed and tier4+ buffed.
    • Only 1 village goes live at a time and is portable from the billboard every 20 minutes.
    This is something I've suggested before. Having 2 non-portable villages makes them only really worth it to those who own houses there or live in a holding next to them. How often is there actually PVP at them when they're not portable? They're basically a free loot faucet, specially for those of us with alts.
    Only takes 1 rare ingot to get a tier 3 bag going and I wouldn't be surprised if you can do it with less, so you're basically risking nothing on a freemium alt for a chance of up to 3 portal shards + gold and some other random mats. Terrible loot for one account, but if you have a handful of them it adds up quickly.

    I don't like the idea of blocking multiple clients unless you lay out very specific rules on the use of VMs/additional computers and actually enforce them without bias.
     
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