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Alt Abuse

Discussion in 'Design Discussions' started by kilrain, May 27, 2019.

  1. BunionToes

    BunionToes Goblin Warrior

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    I guess you've never been to center dungeon or ahu ishtra? In any case if it takes time to get out it makes it less worth the hassle.
     
  2. Korag

    Korag Evil Eye
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    I have been in center dung, and I have lured mobs away from an exit if I needed time to use it.
    Not sure which dungeon Ahu ishtra is off top of my head, but I have been in a lot of dungeons and while some dungeons have mobs around the gate area I have always been able to use different tactics in order to get to the gate and exit without having to kill.

    I will add that I have not been to center dungeon in past 2-3 months or so since I have not been playing but I was in that dungeon around the time TTA formed.
     
  3. Sorrow Avaritia

    Sorrow Avaritia Obsidian Golem
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    Why is getting pvp in a pvp game a problem? If you cant handle getting pvp at a hot spot simply don't go there, there are plenty of places u can farm 100k + that are hardly touched, just find one of them and farm there. All you have to do is go test a few spawns.
     
  4. Methodico

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    Durability for runes Is only a tedious thing, don't make It please.
     
  5. Andrew

    Andrew Obsidian Golem
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    That suggestion was an alternative to the suggestion of forcing ONLY chaos stones as runebook acceptable port locations. My suggestion is instead of a hard-wall to preventing players from using runebooks away from chaos stones or other bindstones is that we offer an incentive to port to those locations by it being cheaper and not using up a runestone in a runebook. The durability suggestion would only apply to runestones in a runebook that are outside the preferred locations @kilrain had suggested.
     
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  6. Sero

    Sero Gnoll Vilegaunt
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    This doesn't fix the issue.

    The issue with runebooks is insanely precise travel to high traffic areas that results in zerging or getting zerged. Solo roaming isnt a thing anymore because if you gets spotted its a simple "1 on me X location" and you have help coming directly to you.

    "Enemies at Champ" = getting zerged.

    We sit here and talk about alt abuse but in reality runebooks are the enabler.

    Since you guys are adamant about keeping them in game, the only thing I can think of to alleviate the issue is a 30 minute CD on them.
     
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  7. Blaze

    Blaze Varangian Warthane

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    Good points! I really liked the idea of limiting runebook to only being at chaos bindstones,
    I’m down for giving it like a 10-30 min cd I personally don’t use them that frequently but maybe others do?
     
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  8. The Red King

    The Red King Black Knight
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    I think if they limit it to only chaos stones, you can't have a 30-minute cooldown also, either have one or the other. I am all for the chaos stones personally.

    They should just change all currently marked runestones to the nearest chaos stone to where they are marked.
     
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  9. Leopold Stotch

    Leopold Stotch Dire Zombie
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    I agree with this. A cool down on rune books would be interesting, but it’s impact on getting back to sieges would be felt for sure.

    I think people are insane for wanting portal shards on vendors to allow people to abuse runebooks for cheap. The market setting the price is working, at least you have to consciously think if you want to spend 6-8k to port, when it was 2k you wouldn’t question it. That being said, I think golems and things like them should have their p shard drop rates increased to get a bit more in game~
     
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  10. Sero

    Sero Gnoll Vilegaunt
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    You can still use runes to consume them without putting them in runebooks. We've legit gone through over 100 runestones this server war in prep.
     
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  11. Volfen

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    Cooldown wouldn't solve the problem, specially if you have multiple PVP capable accounts. Limiting them to chaos stones (make it a random spot within a radius and spawn people in the sky so they don't fall through the world) would be a bigger deal.

    Chaos stones would then have to be moved around I think, can't keep them right on top of mob spawns, and some remote areas may need a chaos stone added to them. Should probably refund people for the runes they already have marked though.

    Still think the 3 minute log out with noise should be a thing (even in a city, people log out in cities inside buildings to avoid pvp all too often), and logging out in a dungeon should send you back to a chaos stone or your bindstone; with the timer and noise there's practically no advantage to using it over bindstone recall.

    Standalone runestones should follow the same rules. Otherwise you'll just be replacing one problem with another, even though runes have become more scarce. I know there'll be the argument of "MUH SIEGE FORCE", but I disagree with those who think that's actually necessary; either use nexus sets or move your force the old fashioned way (boats, mounts, and portal networks). This would actually add a ton of value to houses and holdings and make it more difficult to control holdings all over the map.
     
  12. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    I prefer limiting their location to chaos stones over a cooldown if only one is selected. The reason being is it promotes a little more travel without bringing back the much, much longer travel times prior to rune books where putting a cooldown on runebooks still allows for an organized group to drop on a champion spawn every 30 minutes with relative ease. Or as @Volfen just posted they could use alts to bypass the timer which is part of what we're getting away from anyway.. so.
     
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  13. Blaze

    Blaze Varangian Warthane

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    I’m really Down for the chaos bindstone idea +1
     
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  14. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    Another option, if people are concerned about using them outside of chaos stone range is to have both. If the runestone is marked within range of a chaos stone then it can be used like normal, otherwise it uses a cool down of whatever time we determine. The use of any marked location triggers the cool down, but only the non-chaos stone marked locations would be restricted to it.
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    I've already got the logout stuff worked out. Going to make the time based on location and in/out of combat as well. People will be able to watch the timer like in other games and if they close the client anyway the character will stay there. There will be an effect of some kind playing with visuals and a non irritating sound.
     
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  15. Battle Smurf

    Battle Smurf Oak Lord
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    Yes to limiting them to chaos bindstones
     
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  16. Kantor

    Kantor Black Knight
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    Hard pass on bringing back any kind of travel. Traveling is the worst thing in this game. Rune books are probably the only thing that kept this game alive so far.
     
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  17. Finnad

    Finnad Air Elemental
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    altfall is real, feeling a bit like dnd over here

    piling alts on a ship for trade routes,
    t6 alts in village houses,
    scouting hot spawns,
    leaving fully geared alt(s) out near you for an extra pvp body,
    logging in/out with all of the siege equip

    still think content is a bigger issue tho. sheeps need content other than being slaughtered or they'll never stay.
     
  18. Sero

    Sero Gnoll Vilegaunt
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    Son, let me tell you about the days of the yssam selentine golem...






























    They don't exist anymore.
     
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  19. Kantor

    Kantor Black Knight
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    you right because its about the velron golem now days.

    Bring back mob scaling real talk. square up.
     
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  20. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    Add this to OP as well. Basically spent Saturday playing around with different effects trying to come up with something for "camping" (logging out) that would be noticeable, but not super annoying. If you have ideas, let me know.

     
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