Welcome to the Rise of Agon Community

Create an account today to engage in discussions and community events on the Rise of Agon forums.

Combat changes and new armor, next up on the Public Test Server

Discussion in 'Design Discussions' started by kilrain, Jul 5, 2019.

  1. Brando Pando

    Brando Pando Crypt Guard
    Patron

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2016
    Messages:
    186
    Likes Received:
    294
    I was really worried about what the armor patch would have done to population if received poorly. Happy to hear you guys are taking extra time with it despite pressure to release a patch. Tough decision and people will give BPG flak on here, but this gives me alot more faith in both RoA and the dev team.

    Also glad to hear that old combat is coming back. Imo it would be best to get it in a good place and just leave it alone. So many conflicting opinions on here that it’s pretty much impossible to make the community all happy. Better to just put resources into other things and make only the slightest tweaks to combat if absolutely necessary.
     
  2. Battle Smurf

    Battle Smurf Oak Lord
    Legend

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2016
    Messages:
    3,380
    Likes Received:
    4,045
    It really has been ridiculously biased in favor of Destroyer/ Melee/ archery specializations


    If Destroyer gets jumpshot+ water shot by default and can now run both mage killer AND Mage Hunter or Mana shield.... you gotta at least give mages jumpshot by default on rank 50s and bolts so we can have jump + speed or jump+ damage on fireball.


    Ideally BPG would just put jump by default on ALL spells except MAYBE rank 90s, field aoes, WoF, and Magma...
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
  3. Funky zeit

    Funky zeit Infernal
    Tester

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2016
    Messages:
    509
    Likes Received:
    715
    People have been farming or buying the new mats at ridiculous prices. What now for them?
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
  4. Raap

    Raap Wildtribe Mage

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2016
    Messages:
    305
    Likes Received:
    383
    I'd like to point out that a lot of people who quit RoA in the past half year did not do this over game balance, they did so over a complete lack of ANY sort of updates to the game since the "freemium launch".

    If anything, a lot of folks now on the fence waiting for "that big update" will be further discouraged to play when learning this "big update" has turned into "watered down stream of micro patches that mostly return the gameplay to what some people voted for before most of us even started playing RoA after freemium".

    One of BPG's many mistakes was not re-polling those mythical polls when the game population peaked earlier this year. Now these new decisions will just alienate those people even further - we never had a say in any of this.
     
    Squanto likes this.
  5. Funky zeit

    Funky zeit Infernal
    Tester

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2016
    Messages:
    509
    Likes Received:
    715
    Have they added any new actual content in the past 2+ years? people have been begging for them to just add SOMETHING TO DO. SOMETHING TO FIGHT OVER. what do they do? change numbers and work on models for fancy new dresses.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    The Red King likes this.
  6. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
    Staff Member Developer Team Lead

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,807
    Likes Received:
    6,408
    They will still be used for the new armor and we're adding them to some existing crafts as well where they make sense.

    We're not dropping the new armor, we're simply changing how they are being put into the game and balanced. As it stands we are making balance changes for the sole purpose of adding in the new armor instead of making it fit an already "balanced" state. The amount of time it will take to get the new armors in doesn't change either considering the most time consuming piece to the puzzle are the models.
     
    Fengor and Oresmacker like this.
  7. Oresmacker

    Oresmacker Obsidian Golem
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,682
    Likes Received:
    2,257
    We are getting what we have wanted for so long and now everyone is attacking BPG? Like a lot of you have said, "Just revert" or "Its ok to go back on something if you realized you have made a mistake" Seen and heard many people say these kinds of things. Realistically it would probably be better this way.

    We have wanted a revert and stuff added to the old system like new armors and that's exactly what they are doing. We will also probably get TCS out faster this way, more content. and more fluff. Yea, we wasted some time on the current system they was working on, but at least they are going back to the combat we used to love and enjoy so much and will be adding to that instead of a system that not a whole lot of people really enjoyed.
     
    Blaze and Billy Lee like this.
  8. The Red King

    The Red King Obsidian Golem
    Loyal Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Messages:
    1,633
    Likes Received:
    1,761
    Who asked for combat changes and new armor? People asked for CONTENT!!!!!! Not more shit to grind to put us exactly back where we are now. Sure new armor is cool, but AFTER you give people shit to do each day.
     
    Funky zeit likes this.
  9. Oresmacker

    Oresmacker Obsidian Golem
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,682
    Likes Received:
    2,257
    So you would rather keep current combat and work on content?

    Even though a revert would take a 1/10 of the time to put back on live than new content?
     
  10. Schnid

    Schnid Akathar
    Hero

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2016
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    499
    Looking through these combat change polls and I do not see any mention of the changes you guys made to bunnyhopping. Is there a poll on Sprain that I can refer to? @kilrain
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Scrubby Bear, Blaze and The Red King like this.
  11. The Red King

    The Red King Obsidian Golem
    Loyal Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Messages:
    1,633
    Likes Received:
    1,761
    NOOOO I am saying they shouldn't have done any combat changes At ALL but maybe add some archery skills and just worked on something to play for
     
  12. Auron

    Auron Chosen of Khamset
    Hero

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2015
    Messages:
    741
    Likes Received:
    397
    just revert combat and add the new armours....

    Robes best magic protection - bonus mana regen - full robes 0 magic enqumbrance

    Metal best melee protection - bonus hp regen or less knockback effect -

    Leather best arrow protection - bonus stamina regen - full leather 0 archery enqumbrance



    Magma and needles same global cd
    remove wall of force from global cd of aoe
    lightbattlespike whit 5 sec cd
    restore magic spells diversity
    add to eye root scren shake
    make self buff passive skills
     
  13. Bug Eater

    Bug Eater Undead Dwarf
    Legend

    Joined:
    May 11, 2016
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    611
    You guys need to make a new poll because this one is like a year old. Plus you need to add everything that was reverted so there is vote on all the decisions. I believe this is a huge step in the right direction and you should do it right.
    +1
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
  14. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
    Staff Member Developer Team Lead

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,807
    Likes Received:
    6,408
    Ok, but it’s kind of pointless to keep saying that don’t you think? I mean we are reverting so why keep on?
    --- Post updated ---
    I guess if you feel the need to just be angry about something at all times /shrug
     
  15. Synna

    Synna Black Knight
    Loyal Patron Legend

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2015
    Messages:
    1,292
    Likes Received:
    678
    A full revert? A partial? Exactly what kind of revert? Theres been so many repolls of polls what is this going to be? end of df1? first few bpg changes?
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Scrubby Bear and Battle Smurf like this.
  16. The Red King

    The Red King Obsidian Golem
    Loyal Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Messages:
    1,633
    Likes Received:
    1,761
    It's frustrating because we all care just like you. When you see a car heading for a crash all you can do is try and save it, unfortunately, we didn't. Now its time to heal... Revert and Content Content Content!

    First things to add right away - add something to the daily quests to fight over i.e. chance to drop R80 mats or 120 stat pots and add portals to vcps that disappear after 2 people go in / 4 people go in etc - Add the chaos stone runebook thing and let's Start with that!
     
  17. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
    Staff Member Developer Team Lead

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,807
    Likes Received:
    6,408
    Rune books are on PTS and should be ready to roll. Neil is working on repeatable tasks so we can implement dailies, weeklies, etc.
     
  18. Funky zeit

    Funky zeit Infernal
    Tester

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2016
    Messages:
    509
    Likes Received:
    715
    what we wanted for so long was actual content, not changing the changes that no one asked for. if they were going to revert, the time to do so is long overdue. The game is stale as fuck, most are inactive, and now they throw a hail mary revert.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    The Red King likes this.
  19. The Red King

    The Red King Obsidian Golem
    Loyal Legend

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2016
    Messages:
    1,633
    Likes Received:
    1,761
    I feel you need to change the lawful to drop only backpack or nothing at all also right away if you want the game to succeed as well. It's just too hard and unforgiving for new people fighting against masters of this game. Then they can practice and wear their shiny dragon armor and feel good about themselves.
     
    KingLlama likes this.
  20. Oresmacker

    Oresmacker Obsidian Golem
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,682
    Likes Received:
    2,257
    That’s what they kinda plan to do, I just see it for them as damned if they do damned if they don’t.

    My complaint is that- of course they know that by now, but even after so many hours they have worked on it, they are still willing to do rewind for US!? I’m just a little more grateful I guess.