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Combat changes and new armor, next up on the Public Test Server

Discussion in 'Design Discussions' started by kilrain, Jul 5, 2019.

  1. MisterTea

    MisterTea Infernal
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    I Never understood why all the combat changes, DFO was almost perfect, just needed a few minor tweaks like longer cd on WoF, Battlespikes and begone in all directions
     
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  2. Scrapnotcrap

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    They don't cater to pro players only and that's the problem. I don't mean give them what they want, i mean balance the game around pro players only and nominate a president for combat. We got ppl like rex, squanto and more for that. A vote system will never work to balance a damn game, but we can vote for a president.

    In smash ultimate for example, they said that King K Rool was perfectly balanced(Sakurai). Then, he nerfed him coz most noobs couldn't deal with him. Result, he is now the worse character in the game, 0 main, no presence at the tournaments. You can't even find a recent tourney match with King k rool on youtube: in a game played by so many ppl around the world.

    When i say nerf bunny hop for example, i don't even say that coz i suck at bunny hop because i'm quite good at it. I say it because it's clearly broken.
    In apex legends, bunny hop have been here for so long until the best players started to claim that it was broken(i heard them say it on twitch). So it heavily got nerfed: it only works initially and it does nothing more after 3 hops.
     
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  3. Auron

    Auron Chosen of Khamset
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    Kilrain...Neilk...you can try to do what i suggest?
     
  4. The Red King

    The Red King Obsidian Golem
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    Let's nominate Auron to lead the changes for the game!!!

    Auron Auron Auron!
     
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  5. Auron

    Auron Chosen of Khamset
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    they don't listen us....tomorrow some random change....and rip lol
     
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  6. Scrubby Bear

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    Please do full revert. Then we can debate and test changes one or two at a time. Some of those polls had results that would likely make combat even worse than what we have now. I dont think this community can handle another butchering of combat. Just take us back to what we 100% know works and we can SLOWLY start experimenting from there.
     
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  8. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    BPG*
     
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  9. Nat

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    It's Aventurine not Adventurine!
     
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  10. Auron

    Auron Chosen of Khamset
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    Ignore players isn't profesional but np i hope only you read what we post...maybe that can help you....
     
  11. Korag

    Korag Evil Eye
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    I suggested making a different item that worked like spikes for hopping several times before you took it away and made it a spell. Good to see yall catching up
     
  12. HeganHatsumo

    HeganHatsumo Celestial

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    Time and time again you guys have made mistakes with changes and have taken forever to revert and fix them. Grind removal (unecessary), Runebook development (unecessary), and now combat changes. The playerbase has kept the lights on for this game providing its content the entire time since you guys really can't seem to get the picture: If there is no reason to login to the game, people won't. You aren't fooling anyone. We can all see the population dwindle into nothingness, and we know this is an attempt to try and bring us back since your patches are taking too long. I can't even get 15 people from my clan to login and go to a siege anymore. Stop wasting our time with useless changes.
     
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  13. Korag

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    uhm maybe to try and create more diversity? seeing's how less than 5% of the population played as a destro/melee spec and Mage was super OP. I mean it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why it was balanced in favor of Destro. Did they go too far with it? yes I think they did but to question why they did it is pure ignorance.
     
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  14. The Red King

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    People don't play Destroyer because its not good, because it USED TO BE really good. DF's #1 player was a destro who killed everyone with just a FP chest. The fact is it's not fun and it has a super high skill ceiling. You need to be able to hit arrows, which most people cant, and sticky back someone from 100 to 0 without losing them, if you can't do that, don't play destroyer. Add in you need to know how to bunny hop really fucking well, use terrain, transition, keep your stats up etc

    To get more people playing archer, just add in a straight arrow that needs to be knocked that hits harder, a small dot arrow, and maybe a small aoe arrow? Look at how many people played archer in UW, cause it was fun. Evade was cool, the stam shot was OP as fuck though lol
     
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  15. Korag

    Korag Evil Eye
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    I understand it is harder to master. The not being fun is thing is based on the player and the only thing most people found not fun about it was how hard it was to play vs playing a mage. You give credit to 1 player as a basis to say that it was fine back then? This player is also been slammed with many accusations of cheating. Did he cheat? I dunno I personally do not think so for the most part but some videos of him tracking people and hitting them while fully blind leave one to wonder. He was a smart player but that doesn't credit the destro class that is the player himself combined with the extra damage destro gives a staff wielder.
    Can say what ya like but it was not that popular in df1, even less so than it is now I played df1 and very few people played as destro in fact many people would tell me and many others that wanted to use a bow and play as a destro that it was not viable vs a mage and prior to the nerf of r90's it really wasn't.
     
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    I would love to play destro, in fact I think I would be sick at it, but mage is just too fucking fun! Another player at the start of RoA beta was Sercunt Breaker, he was demolishing people as destro, ended up quitting due to irl I think bunny was destro too? Left for irl as well.

    Luck did use every exploit in the game, mostly all the gray area shit, I believe Jonah confirmed they all used radar too? Not sure if that allowed them to see through blinds, but it was definitely an advantage. With that said he had a super high fight IQ and had a killer bunny hop script lol j/k he was godly at getting away, and his friends always supported him. Teamwork made Luck amazing as well as just being better than the rest.

    Destro has always been great, to me its just not fun....
     
  17. kilrain

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    The first patch to PTS is building now with these changes
    • Back damage reverted to 40% increase.

    • Self buffs returned

    • Armor protection values returned to original

    • Base casting modifier increase removed

    • Staff speeds and magnitudes reverted.

    • Spell normalization and groups/timers reverted

    • The remaining specializations are back, currently double jump, aqua shot, and jump shot are still default and sidestep is still free/swappable at the merchant. We'll discuss these ofc.
     
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  18. The Red King

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    I don't care what everyone says about you. You are OK in my book!!!!
     
  19. soulpcbr

    soulpcbr Infernal

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    wtf bro?
    The game is good now.
    You just need to improve some things like:
    - Performance.
    - Graphics.
    - Add some new features.

    Dont do that:
    Self buffs returned - THIS IS SHIIIIT
    Spell normalization and groups/timers reverted - WHY? The combat is nice atm.
    The remaining specializations are back, currently double jump, aqua shot, and jump shot are still default and sidestep is still free/swappable at the merchant. We'll discuss these ofc. - NO REASON TO IT

    Stop doing what those players who know nothing of making a game want. Do what you were planning to do:
    - Make the game simpler.
    - Leave the game more casual.

    These people who want DF1 will not play the game for more than 3 months. They are against everything new that has been deployed but they themselves do not play the game. They say the game has no players. But how the game will get players if the game they want is earnestly hardcore.
     
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  20. Adopted Manchild

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    Why is this information on the 5th page of an open thread? This is exactly what I'm talking about.

    It also spares no clarification as to the prior values from these changes. If you don't act like you're getting new players, you won't get any new players.
     
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