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Combat Paths - A New Era of Combat

Discussion in 'Design Discussions' started by MWTaylor, Apr 24, 2018.

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  1. Sero

    Sero Gnoll Vilegaunt
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    Sounds OP AF.
     
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  2. Calevrzan

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    New player here too. I haven't played this game long enough to understand the emotions that some are having about these changes, but I do like the idea of a class system. However, I also like the choice to be able to play every class on one character. Will these primary paths restrict us to taking one route? Another game I play (Final Fantasy XIV) has a Job system, in which it allows players to switch playstyle when they want, but under certain conditions. It's a popular feature in that game.
     
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    pretty sure they will be interchangeable.
     
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    I DO NOT know if these changes will be good for the game or not. Who knows really. My only hope is they if they do alter these “classes” or “builds” to enhance a certain part of someone’s play they don’t make it to drastic.

    If you drastically change damage/protections/sustain on some of these perks I 100% guarantee you there will be one build that tops them all. It will be patches going from one “flavor of the month” build to the next and every time you patch to alter it, here we go again now something else is to OP and everyone starts running that cheese fest instead. Just saying, be careful. Could just be a never ending cycle of patches to balance things out.

    I really really hope we still have a REASON to fight each other by the time all this is said and done. I might not represent he majority of DF, but I do know that the current players I interact with (many different skill/experience levels) are worried about why we are fighting each other not what we are fighting each other with.

    You have an amazing combat system here in Darkfall. If you do implement a new system please for Christ sake don’t fuck it up.
     
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    Pleeeease Rex, bail us out of this. They only listen to you!!
     
  6. Korag

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    Are you really so brain dead that you cannot see how bad this system is currently? does the pop not bother you at all? so what if a dozen vets come back every month I know for a fact at least half a dozen or more also quit playing every month or so. Bleeding players that might still be subbed does not mean the pop is steadily increasing it just means we have a high rate turn over. This isn't cookie cutter, this isn't locked in classes this is CHOICES it doesn't mean you have to change the way you play at all, the hybrid style that your afraid to lose doesn't change it isn't nerfed and will still work they already said that in black n white but you refuse to see it for whatever reason. Stop with the blind BS over n over cause your just flat out wrong spreading negative propaganda because your butt hurt about a false belief in your head.
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    they never mentioned doing anything even remotely close to UW so I don't get where your pulling this from? Nothing even close to UW
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    I mean the combat system really isn't changing other then if they add some skills, the effects and how they are used might change but they didn't say anything about changing combat. Changing spells, adding a few skills and allowing people to be more efficient in a few areas doesn't change the combat, it just adds to it.
     
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    According to BPG, they're actively growing, so idrc what you know for a fact because I'd say they have slightly better numbers than you do.
     
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    This is clearly a hot topic but I think a lot of people that are upset or those that just drop one liners and actually have no feedback to offer are severely overreacting to this. I hope you guys that are freaking out don't cause BPG to stop trying to make this game successful, it is one of a kind and if it doesn't adapt and change a little it will fail they cannot build the game around the feelings of a few dozen vets otherwise it is like committing suicide.

    Be bold BPG so long as the game is fun people will come back even the huge doom saying whiny people.
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    your a very naïve kid, They do not talk about when people stop playing and since they sell subs through tokens people could have months of subs and not playing. some people have multiple alts 3 to 5 or even more also skewing numbers. Stop so naive BPG isn't going to tell you if the game is failing as that would be bad business causing even more people to leave. Grow up kid please it will improve your life as well as the others around you.
     
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    How about you reread.

    Melee spec gets extra health? How much extra health? Do mages get less health?
     
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    BPG also doesn't talk about when nobody likes stage 2, you fucko mongoloido.
     
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    your a very naïve kid, They do not talk about when people stop playing and since they sell subs through tokens people could have months of subs and not playing. some people have multiple alts 3 to 5 or even more also skewing numbers. Stop so naieve BP
    they also said they would do it in small increments, that they didn't want to imbalance things to much. Also said if ya spec into their would be negatives to help counteract why would you read into something and then make a shit ton of assumptions, this is all on paper still and when they do start introducing it they said it would be in small amounts so it can be adjusted.
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    lol
    they don't need to talk about it genius it is all over this thread, the same guys making half assed assumptions using 0 logic or thinking.
    THE SKY IS FALLING......RUN ---Stop being that guy lol
     
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    If they make things/play styles efficient thats fine. But very very easy to fuck up.
    And if done incorrectly for example making these Values on different builds differ to much from one another, there will indeed be a flavor of the month thing going around. We will be where we are now basically. Everyone runs/picks/cast x,y,z instead of a,b,c.
     
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    ya I agree anything can be fucked up and they have made mistakes in the past but that is also how ya learn and grow and success comes with failure if you do nothing then nothing happens you just have to keep on keeping on and working right? no risk no reward that is what df is all about and making the game should be no different
     
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    Yes it will take some time to balance we don't expect to get it perfect first try, this is why we're implementing it in pieces slowly to not turn everything on its head in a single patch. We will add to the specialisations and make tweaks to current ones likely as well to test out some perks ahead of the addition of combat paths. We'll also be utilising the crap out of PTS to test this. In our next weekly update we're going to announce how players can get involved directly in testing/feedback in a sort of focus group we're setting up. Players will be awarded Nithron coins at various points of testing as a reward. You get to help shape the future of your game and get free stuff, win win :).
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    Please keep toxicity down there's no need for calling people names. Stage 2 has been misunderstood it is not classes it will be mostly minor specialisations with a few larger ones loosely similar to destroyer.

    We've also actively been posting to answer questions and concerns in this thread. The q&a this weekend should help get a nice live chance to answer questions, make sure to come by :)
     
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    Is sero getting paid per post by someone?
     
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    I would love mounted archer combat.
     
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    There's not as many alts since the market patch, there's little gain for making an alt nowadays. When we look at actives we are looking at average/peak concurrent users logged in. We don't look at subscriptions because those numbers are obviously higher than active players due to some players keeping a sub to support us while they aren't playing currently due to various personal life/work reasons or waiting for certain features sometimes.

    Our concurrent users metrics have increased about 50-60% on average since before the free period in March.
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    It would be very neat indeed but balancing it would be a nightmare....
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    Developing Darkfall is just as challenging as playing :)
     
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    ETA 2025.....
     
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    Something needs to change.

    This sounds like a good base(phase1)

    Then we can take it slowly, test and give feedback for the rest.

    If this syphons even a fraction of the people playing new dawn that are disenchanted with how it turned out, or any new players at all it will be amazing.


    I hope you give each elemental school its own “flavor” even though you are normalizing the spells.


    Out of curiosity, will you be adding specs to things besides pvp?

    Like maybe pve bonuses or you get to draw 2 extra cards per hand in the card game that’s coming soon(I hope)

    Or adding anything along the lines of taming like uo had or even provocation?


    This is all examples but I’m sure you could come up with better ideas and I’m sure would be much farther down the line.


    Also I’m still holding out for the one thing I actually enjoyed from uw........bad ass dungeons. That one dungeon was so fun ( forgot its name though).


    I’m pumped! And a little scared! Theorycrafting like crazy.
     
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