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Daggers: Weak? Good? OP?

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Scrapnotcrap, Jul 8, 2017.

  1. Scrapnotcrap

    Scrapnotcrap Eodrin
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    PVP related

    Are daggers that viable? Can you pick them up as a main weapon? Do you think they're OP right now? Can you go out without daggers? Is it only good on a certain race such as a mahirim?

    From my experience, daggers are balanced, but it almost feels like it's a must to carry them around now. R40 at the very least, probably better to carry R50 daggers rather than carrying a R50 GS

    I see a new trend: ppl running in pvp set with daggers, no other type of melee weapon.
    If it's a melee trade, i see good players pulling out daggers instantly to win that. The first time i was a victim of that, i was actually winning the trade easily until that guy pulled-up a dagger. I was about to lose because it was unpredictable at first. I actually had to stormblast/mount away. I once pulled-out a dagger in the middle of a duel in a melee trade and i won because of that.

    In regards to pve, if daggers are not considered balanced or OP in pvp, is it right to let them remain the best weapon in pve too?
     
  2. The Red King

    The Red King Obsidian Golem
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    Daggers are sick if someone trades. You need to recognize that you are up against daggers and joust otherwise you will lose.
     
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    Sero Menhir Sentinal
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    My problem with them is R40 daggers prolly outdps R60 2handers against mobs.
     
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    Damphousse Goblin Warrior
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    Daggers were a necessity before the range increase. Now, they're just straight up overpowered.
     
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    Daggers received a two tick increase from df1 range. That's big.

    As for dps, r40 daggers out dpsing all other weapon types by such a big margin basically breaks pve. They will never design an intesting mob encounter unless they put super high piercing protection on it.
     
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  6. Ringo Starr

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    Balanced in PvP, too good compared to other weapons in PvE. PErsonally I think all the weapons should be as good as knives in PvE. So instead of nerfing knives buff the rest of the weapons somehow in PvE.
    Imo knives are fun in PvP, they can easily be avoided if you know what you doing but provide more depth to meele fights.
     
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    I was thinking about making other weapons a bit faster in vertical slashing mode only due to the fact that we only use vertical mode in pve anyway.
     
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    Exactly why golems and baradrons are fun to solo. You use 1 hand transmutes and can time blocks and avoid the golem's big stomp attack. Like maybe the 1 truly engaging PvE experience I can think of. I bet Winterbounds would be fun to fight too if they were actually worth it.
     
  9. RootedOak

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    Wait til you try the queuing system that's on the test server.
     
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    Aristos Giannes Cairn Giant
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    Does that hopefully make blocking after attacking more responsive?
     
  11. RootedOak

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    Flawlessly so with auto parry. It's not real queueing though. It's like a 1 to 0.5 sec window will allow the next action to queue. So if you're melee in and need to parry asap, you just jam the auto parry button and nothing will stop that from happening. At least with 60ms ping that is. It's a Florida server on test.
     
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  12. Scrapnotcrap

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    Ok, i was scared for a minute. I hope it's not like Dnd'S queuing system.

    What else is in that test server that we don't know? I'm not willing to waste any of my time on the test server when i'm constantly running out of gold.
     
  13. RootedOak

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    Ehh, well the queuing has bugs, but I'm guessing that's why the patch isn't in yet. There's the rest of the patch notes.
     
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    On DnD, it's a mess with the queuing system and the auto cast. If you chose to cast a ray in the middle of your magma bomb, a ray will come-out right after. The thing is, you can't cancel your next action, you can only change it. So instead, you would have to change your weapon as a substitute if you don't wanna cast anything next.

    This has basically made me auto-cast transfers, heal/witchbrew or rays in bad situations. Things like that and the delay reductions in-between each spell-cast has actually made me turn away from DnD for ever.

    Now i know, you haven't tried DnD yourself... i just know it's bad.
     
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    I understand. I didn't feel that the queuing was negative as far as I tested beyond the bugged cooldowns.
     
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    I wouldn't call daggers op in pvp unless you're in a wof, on a ship, or the other guy doesn't know how to melee. If someone is standing there trading swings GS vs daggers they are going to lose, but it's pretty easy to trade 1 for 1 in which case GS is much better.