Nothing quite like the reality of the killer grind to smack my hype and anticipation for Darkfall back down to earth. Lemme just kill hundreds more akathars for a couple gains in archery, so I might finally do more than 15 damage to a 400 hp mount zooming away from me in PvP. And that's just one of a dozen or more skills I need for "viability." --- Post updated --- What's worse is that later into the game's life cycle we expect new players to do this basically solo. At least in Unholy Wars, as a newb friendly clan, I was able to bring a newb to duneshapers and get them able to meaningfully contribute in PvP, with serious ability to sway fights, in a few hours flat. Anyone else remember when the elite pvpers got together and wrekt face on 20k prowess chars?