We agree that these are all positive additions to a lot of players however we're gathering feedback from players so we can focus on the key little updates players want and the priority they want them in too. We are focusing on bigger systems and these little additions are there to improve the daily game for players while we work on bigger features. We believed we could do them piecemeal so as to keep patches coming out as players want regular patches but that turns out to have bit us. So we're going to build the systems entirely with a few key points where players can pop on PTS during the process to playtest. This is systems such as dynamic housing, TCS, combat diversity (New mastery armours for mage/Archer, new archery/melee/magic skills and new specialisations/customization options.), Graphical improvements and a revamp to a variety of systems to improve NPE and conversion rates of new players to name a few.
I think all this is good but are you gonna let us vote on IF we should have specializations or vote on what specializations we want? Cause thats the kinda stuff we need to vote on I think. Game changes that will effect combat..stuff that will only add content should just be added. Most people are not gonna vote for something their not asking for...no one.cares about trade routes enough to use their main vote on it..but it will add content so who cares about voting on it just add it. Andrew just be honest with me cause i have no clue...what are the hours involved for updating trade route? Are we talking days or hours? Cause it will blow my mind if were voting on something that can be updated in 10mins. How long would it take to add tier levels to quest to get rewards like villages? Legit 100s of little things can just we tweaked a little to add some content. Should have a guy banging these little changes out first.
It wouldn't be just an update on the loot tables. It would be changes to it to add more to the system than just the two locations, new dropoff points etc. Adding a few new items to its loot table is of course simple but that's not what is proposed for it. Adding more routes and improving the mechanic overall such as addressing possible disconnects while doing a route as mentioned.
Ok, I get ya on that...and i would rather have more routes and stuff. But that being said is more of a reason to just add without voting. Its a good idea that will create content. Some of these things can be upgraded now simple and fast to add content then when there's more time you can rework them. Can add tier level rewards for dungeon quest to get people moving again then when time its not so limited you can go back and detail them better. But giving people something to do while using as little time on it should be a focus of BPG
We can't simply entirely leave the development focus to vocal opinion, to do so and allow the community to dictate every piece of direction and design would be an exercise in futility. Players of the franchise have already voted and complained for years on things like diversity in combat, however the community is very split on how to improve and add to the combat. This is where leadership and risks sometimes must be taken to advance the game and make it successful. Darkfall has failed and addressing it's core issues to have Rise of Agon achieve success was and is a risky venture. Combat is a very fickle thing: some are purists and want nothing to change, some argue for balance changes with a conscious or subconscious "Nerf rock, paper is fine. Regards scissors" agenda, others want to see Armour based skill selection kind of like Albion online, some want hard classes and choices that are permanent, some want just 1v1 balance, some want only group balance with specific roles, some want the game simplified to be easier to consume, some want a huge skill ceiling with major complexity, some want casting without a staff while many argue this is sacrilege. I could go on with the major divisions related to combat endlessly. This is why the game's future left up to just the community would be like herding cats across America: impossible. We listen to feedback however heavily from players and try to move the game forward in a positive direction based on feedback. Even though the community doesn't steer the ship directly it is involved in the direction we're going .
I agree with everything you said. But people only want stuff changed in combat cause we were.promised no changes to combat were gonna be made. Now everyone is racking their brains to fix combat around BPG changes. We would not even have rebalancing talks about combat if nothing was changed. The whole combat discussion could be wiped out by giving us what was promised. Im not asking you to have the community lead the project just only to have enough common sense that when there a good idea you just add it without doing useless voting for it. Now im not saying voting is useless but were voting for legit things that should go into game to what? Stop them from going into the game? Asking the community if stuff that 100% should be in the game should be in the game is pointless. Then turn around and say we listen to the community and these ideas were made by the community is not fair..you either let us vote on everything or dont filter the ideas to the top ten BpG likes then have us choose between them. Like i said, we need to vote for big changes...combat changes, specs, and realky anything that effects play styles or combat...not if we should work on something that 100% should be in the game.
Add meaningful territory control Fix bugs Make bindings easier and streamlined Make the game Free 2 play with an optional subscription model
1. Every single person on the forums and otherwise has a different opinion on what we should be working on and which should be first. Every time we turn around someone, yourself included, say something like "whey wasn't this added yet, it's a no brainer"! We only have so many hands and time. I mean, there's only 24 hours in a day and we have to stop at some point to sleep... 2. This system was requested by players. One of those players is in here criticizing it as well. Imagine that. Even if we know people will want these things put in we're going to play by the rules and gauge interest first, then we will let the votes decide what order we put them in. That way when someone says, "Why isn't this in yet" they can look at the results. Or we can just go back to not letting the community have a voice. I mean, if that's what ya'll want.
I liked the poll, I wish we could see results after voting and also I like the initiative you guys are taking to try and do small patches that will be meaningful overtime You are a developer for a game that so many people want to succeed so badly, don't take their criticism personally, you just have to know you aren't going to please everybody with anything Also, I think it's important that if things arent wanted, you guys set the example with this poll and don't add those things in. I can't be certain but I imagine the no loot in lawful areas isn't very popular, so it would add a lot of credibility and trust in you guys if things like that were not added to the game if the community doesn't want it
This is part of the future we're moving towards on all points. --- Post updated --- The results so far will be a little surprising probably. This is the point I brought up earlier about there being a vocal minority often on some poiints.
The only thing ive really pushed for was combat revert, other then that i've only offered ideas. ( Polearm knockback too) You cant blame me for seeing "Trade Route Enhancements" and thinking it means an update to loot. No where did it say it was creating new routes and stuff.. If it would of said that I would understand the time it takes. But it doesn't...just leaving it to our imagination. I know this stuff takes time...but at the same time how long does it take to change 200 reg arrows to 200 fine arrows? Some stuff is just so pointless you have to say "WHY DOES IT TAKE 1 YEAR TO CHANGE THIS"? Can you not see it from our point of view? People are legit making skins for your game in 10mins but it takes 1 year to get a sword. This is the little stuff I say "why isn't this in yet" Do you ever hear me bitch about TC? How long its taking? Not once have I said one negative thing about this cause I know it takes time. You added in elemental arrows, made them worthless, but yet to fix them..how long could it take to make them pvp viable? Or even on par with normal arrows? So a year down the road when im screaming "WHY HAVEN'T ELEMENTAL ARROWS BEEN FIX?" and you're all "This is something the we're looking into down the road" or "The community voted on something so we cant fix this now" You will know where im coming from.
A question I do have is why can't the polls be on this forum, potentially requiring a sub to vote? I don't doubt that the results are surprising, but how many absolution (just an example) are peeking their heads in, going, "hell yeah that'd be sick!" and then closing the forums to never play again after voting for things CURRENT players don't want? edit: additionally, on the google doc I can vote on my, like, 8 emails. I personally don't plan to, but there is nothing stopping people from absolutely ruining polls through logging into multiple emails to vote for things that they want, but will never bring them back to the game
Nice post minus your combat changes. I don't want no rock-paper aspect no more, just buffs and trade-offs. -We should be able to craft enchanting gems at this point and that, without gems. I want to AFK craft 25+ gems. -Agree'd on treasure map. I even liked the DF UW's system better. Only prob with UW's, way too many maps. Nowadays, ppl have to link their map on discord or they sell them. That's not fun.
No, no you misunderstand. It’s not just the amount of time one project takes but also the time it takes others. If we’re working on x we can’t work on y even if y takes a couple hours. That is precise why we are breaking the small stuff into segments that we patch weekly. So they get a chance to be worked on. Otherwise we could easily find ourselves focused on just the big things and never getting to the smaller stuff or bug fixes. --- Post updated --- I’m building and in-game vote system so we can differentiate between players and prospective players alike.
Until we get a voting system in game pretty much any external voting system has its risks and an in-game voting system also wouldn't get potential player input, each has merits and drawbacks. We get some basic information on the Google form to allow us to manually remove multiple entries. I've removed a few repeat entries already. For this specific poll this medium seemed the best out of the available options.
Yeah but you're like a bus that keeps stopping at empty bus stops. People get off but nobody's getting on.
Soooo uhhh... These polls should be in game (something like a community BILLBOARD could provide access), and the poll should display the percentage FOR and AGAINST. If you need an idea of what I'm talking about, log in to OSRS. What didn't make the list: - Hellgate system - Timed ultra-chaos-loot hotspot chests - Robe changes/improvements - Runebook nerfs - Pungent Mist revert/Eye rot CD reduction - Making sithras useful - improvements to sea tower loot - enchanting system menu fix - finishing off the armour sets (plate, infernal, bone, studded)
Floating combat text breaks the immersion that Rise of Agon has over Unholy Wars. Please do not do this. Removing full loot is against the spirit of this game. Please do not do this. The rest of the items are all things that just add to the game / are optional. We need some new, big content pieces. An entire new thing to Darkfall, not just remixing what is already there.
This is about small items while we work on the larger TCS items etc. some good suggestions here also.
