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Patch Notes Discussion: Freemium Soft Launch - February 20th, 2019

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Neilk, Feb 20, 2019.

  1. Not_Primetime

    Not_Primetime Winterbound
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    This is a subscription blackmail model. Most of the limitations are to prevent alts and not to give any value to buying premium. It’s just too easy to get around the limitation once your maxed out there is no need for premium.

    Freemium character progression should not be gimped. Premium should just increase your progress by say 10% above the normal progression. Otherwise you'll alienate new players who feel they are being blackmailed into subbing. Also the model they choose to go with gives no incentive to pay for premium other than character progression. Once you have a maxed your character, created a clan, get a house there is no reason to get premium other than for the bank space and maybe backpack space. The bank issue can be solved by freemium alts that offer storage for your main. This was not well thought out.
     
  2. Korag

    Korag Evil Eye
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    even games that do that have a premium service, I mean it is for good reason
     
  3. Boilais

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    I disagree with the 500 Bank Space limit. There is too much crap to collect, which you actually need (and can't monetize on the npc vendor) to make 500 spaces viable.
    I have a 2 week player bank, i can not get down to 500 spaces without discarding basicly all spare weapons and a good chunk of enchanting & cooking materials.

    And that doesn't even touch the need to have at least 2-3 ready bags. 1 ready bag = 6x regs, 1 food, 3x potions, 5x weapons, 13x armor (10 armor slots + 3 jewelry) , arrows, 1 mount , so if i haven't forgotten anything , that is already 30 slots used for a single ready bag.

    700 is doable.

    Anyways you can say that is fine, but it is a seriously limiting factor, and at that point more a free to play trial than a freemium mode. And that is okay if you want to structure it that way, but it is dishonest to say you can make do with 500 spaces. You can only do that if you can either offload part of your bank to the clan vault, buy more bank space, or if you happily trash a lot of ressources.

    300 weight limit is a convienience factor and fine.
     
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  4. Fenrir Frauki

    Fenrir Frauki Undead Dwarf
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    Maybe 1 week of regular leveling speed for new players before they have to sub would be more fair.
     
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  5. Bonii

    Bonii Air Elemental
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    Game crashes when loading up village board, still cannot use bank and have 300 armour weight.

    No change for 8 hours.
     
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  6. Auron

    Auron Chosen of Khamset
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    500 units banc its to low? Use 2 account....
     
  7. Boilais

    Boilais New Member

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    If I have to "game" the system that way, then what is the point of that limitation anyway ?
    My Point is, I shouldn't have to, and it's not good for the game either.
     
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  8. Quin Tessence

    Quin Tessence Black Knight
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    It probably takes more then 8 hours for the guys to sleep, eat, read up on the bug reports, and hammer out a fix. You did at least submit an offical bug report yeah?

    My problem is that once I got under 500 items my bank broke and now I have unlimited space. I'm not saying you should pull everything out, but if your not going to play because you cant get it up do you have anything to loose?
     
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  9. Korag

    Korag Evil Eye
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    Yes bank def needs an increase.
    Looking over it and in just a couple days of pve/pvp will fill up a bank with needed items.
     
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  10. Fawley

    Fawley Infernal
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    Maybe you guys should be taking a page from the Path of Exile book where you're selling actual convenience stuff that doesn't change the power gap and cosmetic stuff that hopefully doesn't ruin the gameplay.

    I mean cosmetics where I can still tell what the other person is wearing and shooting. PoE has cosmetics for spells that make them look different but if you add a cosmetic that makes a fireball look like a different spell then you're ruining the gameplay. If it's fireball but has a cooler sound effect or a different splashing animation then maybe people would be interested in buying it.

    As for convenience stuff, you can't just change stats when people are out in the world like lowering their weight restrictions. That can heavily nerf players ability to PvE and PvP since multiple mounts weight a lot. Adding stuff like extra bank space and things that make ready bags easier to manage would be a convenience that doesn't affect gameplay, at least not much. And it doesn't have to be a subscription thing. PoE sells bank space permanently but at a moderate price. Another thing you could sell is the ability to buy skills/spells remotely with money in your bank. Nobody is going to win a PvP or PvE engagement because they were able to buy spells as they leveled up.

    There may be some things that are no longer relevant here because I haven't played the game in awhile now and haven't followed the changes.
     
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  11. Neilk

    Neilk Web Development & System Admin
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    Just clarifying a few things, it's possible to buy up to 2000 extra bank spaces without buying premium.

    Spells/Skills auto-unlock when you reach the required level, this has been in for a long time now.
     
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  12. Korag

    Korag Evil Eye
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    man you really need to log in and play a bit before posting.
    Can only carry 1 mount now period. It has a slot for it
    can get tons of extra bank space, permanently.
    and again as mentioned you do not have to buy any skills anymore cept destro
     
  13. DeadlyHit

    DeadlyHit Chosen of Khamset
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    I can use my bank again after todays fix.
     
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  14. The Red King

    The Red King Black Knight
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    Technically they could by an extension tab from the market, it’s not the end of the world but this game is doomed if they don’t make money.
     
  15. LegionXIX

    LegionXIX Dire Zombie

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    500 bank space is not enough hands down ..... I just logged in for the first time in god knows how long yesterday, first thing i noticed was

    1 ----i was over encumbered because mounts are insane heavy took me a second to figure out that if you put it on your paper doll you are no longer encumbered ( i actually like this feature i hated fighting people with 3 mounts on them kill 1 just to have them spawn another )

    2 ----500 banks space was way to little i had almost 2k weight in my bank in random shit ( thank you for updating and deleting all my name tabs btw lol took me 2 hours to figure out what was in what bag ) I couldn't put a single thing in my bank NOW yesterday i log in and all of a sudden i have 2k weight and for some reason and i still cant deposit anything in my bank????

    you should double that to 1k for ftp ...... you could get by with 1k

    I do have a question about the ftp vs premium and the fact that you will delete characters afetr 30 days that are ftp and im sure this has been answered but like i said its been a while

    since im now FTP but i was subbed before will my character be deleted if i don't log in for 30 days or am i good no matter what cause i was subbed.

    also why is it FTP players cant be upgraded to officer when in a clan ?????
     
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  16. Neilk

    Neilk Web Development & System Admin
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    1) Mounts automatically go into the paperdoll slot but since it was in your backpack from before this didn't happen.

    2) We are looking to up it to 750/800 is our current thoughts on it

    3) Characters are not deleted they are just stored for restoration like what has always been happening when you go away from the game.
     
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  17. LegionXIX

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    and 4 ? :)
     
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  18. Thrill Kill

    Thrill Kill Goblin Shaman
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    750 would be fine, although it would still limit players that have been around as crap piles up in this game.
     
  19. Scrapnotcrap

    Scrapnotcrap Eodrin
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    It ain't normal for me to be looking more forward APB's battleroyal patch and more game modes than DF ROA's upcoming content.

    Ppl have been saying that less is more, but DF has always been too big with next to no content.

    If i'm not playing, if i'm not going to pay, it's because i don't believe that DF will ever get big enough at this point. When ppl claim that the game is popping, it never pops during the times that i can actually play. I wish we had less for more like a smaller world or something.
     
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  20. Blaze

    Blaze Varangian Warthane

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    I like 800 :) enough to have like 3ready bags and farm just means I can't horde everything
     
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