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Draunadan the new Blackbolt

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by MikeJT, Jun 28, 2017.

  1. MikeJT

    MikeJT Black Knight
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    1-3 damage difference between Draunadan and Blackbolt. Barely noticeable difference in casting time.

    Prepare to donate 5-10k gear bags to mages in a bone set with a 150 gp staff. If you do win, prepare to be underwhelmed.

    Already seeing PvP and Siege vids with people rolling with R20 staffs.

    GG
     
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  2. Lexendros

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    Blackbolts are still pretty much the standard for all average mage or destro bags.

    Farm better.
     
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    Magnitude needs to actually have an effect on spell damage, that's one easy way to make mage gear matter more.
     
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    What is your point exactly? What you said is not even relevant to this thread.
     
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    The sad thing is that you see no problem with this statement
     
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    While I don't think the r20 is the new blackbolt as OP states I just think its absurd how spells and staves work in general. A r20 wielding naked can still output respectable damage. The kind that isn't ignorable. Sure having a keened blackbolt or omen or w.e will add 10-15 or so extra points but taking 35 damage a spell from an r20 staff kind of undermines staffcrafting, and a mage bag value. Especially considering their speeds.

    The problem imo is the base damage of spells are too high. When I can shoot a cursed bolt and hit a standard geared person for 36 to the front with a starter staff something is wrong. Spells need to be more heavily affected by their staff damage modifier (which makes no sense to me other than I know that higher means guuder).

    Staffcrafting and staff diversity itself is really hindered by the fact that staves hardly matter unless in a siege or a high end fight. I suggest people read beargrims thread about staffcrafting it has some knowledge in it. But its really simple, because of the way mage base damage works and how important fast casting is speed dominates all else (elemental staffs being decent). R50s are the absolute worst staves you can make some may argue even worse than some beginning staves. Their speed is slower than the r20 draunadan and goblin angrystick.

    Take from this what you will. Staffcrafting and staffs in general need a overhaul.
     
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  7. MikeJT

    MikeJT Black Knight
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    Pretty sure I read this post about 30 times... in 2009, and 2010, and 2011...
     
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    Yes, make it so mages have to grind for 3 hours to get a gear bag so it's not just Destro's! Everyone knows we all play this game to left click mobs in a dungeon by yourself until your retinas begin oozing blood.
     
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    omg, here we go (again)
     
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    I find it surprising BPG did the whole staffcrafting rework without changing the absurdly broken spell damage formula.
     
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    The only staff worth crafting is the black bolt until mastery staffs.
    Then you have a whole bunch of garbage staffs until you can finally make worthwhile elemental staffs and eventually cobras.

    The staff changes patch is a pretty good example of just how fucking bad things designed behind closed doors with zero player feedback can end up. So many ways it could have been better, more balanced and not been a tedium nightmare. Oh well, I am sure they will fix it in 7 months or so if the server lag and mobs healing each other with damage spells are any indication.
     
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    you will die vs pro with r20 staff,blackbolt or cobra staff,so it doesnt matter
     
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    Pretty much yeah - the game is that unbalanced.
     
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    game is fine and the best how it is
     
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    Don't worry the game is balanced because everyone can do everything though including using the best low tier staffs :tongueout:
     
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    They said they fixed this. They did not. The difference between the r40 magnitude special staves and normal lower staves is garbage. There is absolutely no reason to craft high end staves.

    For instance. A magnitdue enchanted darkheart, still debuffs the same strength or piercing or slashing quantity that the mob dropped blackbolt does. And don't even get me started on how worthelss debuffs are on players with the new frontloading system. P.s. this is tested with archmage and 50+ intensity in those schools.
     
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    It does matter because the same pro playing destroyer with an r20 greatsword won't even be able to damage you.
     
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    You having no skill = unbalanced game got it.
     
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    Do you know if anyone actually knows the damage formulas?

    I know that weapon damage is:

    Damage = Constant + WeaponDamage(A*Strength + B*WeaponSkill + C*WeaponMastery)

    But I don't know what A, B and C are, or the constant.

    Staff damage seems to be more like:

    Damage = Constant + A*Int + B*SpellLevel + C*SchoolLevel + D*Intensify + StaffDamage (Constant + E*Int + F*SpellLevel + G*SchoolLevel + H*Intensify)

    ie. most of the damage is outside the factors affected by staff damage, which is the problem. It's why the only R40's you'd see at sieges in DFO were either 1 handers for blocking with a shield or Blackbolts.

    Now we're seeing R20's at sieges. SMH

    If I was given enough data I could run a Multiple regression and probably figure out the exact formulas.

    It is?!

    That must be why Darkfall is such a hugely successful game will dozens of servers and millions of subscribers! Oh wait...
    --- Post updated ---
    Mistake powerful character in unbalanced game for actual skill = balanced game. Got it.
     
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  20. Sacrillegious

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    Idk guys I use just the vermillion and I out dps other mages with rays hardcore. I imagine the othe transmutes are redic