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Dune rats and jonah quiting?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by PaCo, Jul 9, 2017.

  1. EarthMother

    EarthMother Earth Elemental
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    Wasn't Dupe Rats the same core group of guys who built up DFO as some godly game that even in its state at death was the best game ever and worth playing? Then they quit within a month or so of release?
     
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  2. MikeJT

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    And exactly why would I need to do that?

    Oh that's right. I don't. 99.99% of us don't need to do any of that.

    Just like I don't need to learn to maintain my car, because I can pay a mechanic to service it every 6 months.

    Just like I don't need to diagnose thousands of medical conditions, because I can pay a doctor when I have a problem.

    Just like I don't learn to build a house, because I can pay a builder to do that.

    The difference is my doctor, mechanic and builder don't run around calling me an idiot because I didn't learn to do everything they did.

    Get off your high horse.

    If the skills you have were actually in high demand I'm pretty sure that more people would know them.

    Be thankful you've actually made a career out of something most of us only ever study out of intellectual curiousity and drop the attitude.
     
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  3. Dunk Slammington

    Dunk Slammington Goblin Warlord

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    Why would I pay someone to program something in Java, then a different person in Python, and another guy in C#, another guy in COBOL when I could be doing it all by myself because I'M A PROGRAMMER and not someone else?

    Because I knew C and ASM, I walk two blocks down and someone offerred me a job using Fortran. Took a week, got it down good, started the job on a Tuesday. I then move on to a different job, he asked if I knew C++, I said close enough, C. Another job. Climbed my ass all the way up here while you're still down on the ground convincing yourself that Java is the greatest thing Jesus ever gave to mankind besides the dinosaurs. And to refute anyone that says otherwise you pull up bullshit statistics to keep your Jonah-level elitest attitude up.

    So forget the attitude, you hypocrite. I call you out a little bit and you start raging at me saying I don't know how to code, "java is good I'm so good at java you don't know shit about java slammington take your satellite and shove it up your ass Notch made 3.8 billion so I expect I'll do the same in a few days bleh bleh etc etc."

    And my skills are in demand. The few jobs that absolutely require people that know these languages and have experience working in these languages impact modern technology more tremendously than just another script kiddie typing sentences out on Python. Only issue is is that the guy who has one of these jobs does not go around bragging to others about how he knoe how 2 code python or some easy shit.
     
  4. MikeJT

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    Your head is seriously so far up your ass its astounding.

    So what you're saying is that your job in A got you a job in B which got you a job in C? Could it be that's because all programming languages are PRACTICALLY THE SAME?

    Yet you want to denigrate anyone who started with a high level language because THATS WHERE THE DEMAND IS. Because that's what they were told they should learn? Because that's what they got paying jobs using? Because thats what the job ads are demanding? Because thats what gives them the freedom to create their own applications and games? Because that enables them to get their program to market quicker and below budget?

    Are you straight up retarded or what?

    Oh and BTW, some of us started in Java, which got us jobs in C#/.Net, which got us jobs in C++, which got us jobs in C.

    So it works the other way too buddy.

    Just because you start with Assembly and move your way to C++ doesn't make you special.
     
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  5. Dunk Slammington

    Dunk Slammington Goblin Warlord

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    You know that moment when you argue with a tard that claims earth is flat and you know it's round? That's like me right now.

    Functionalities. Some programming languages are procedural. They are meant for quick and dirty calculations. Others are object oriented. They are built around structure and organization. Other languages are built to make other languages. I know that language. That's why learning an objected oriented one vs procedural one vs any other is too damn easy and therefore readily available for me because I'm the kind of person that would INVENT THAT LANGUAGE.A person that only knew java would struggle the shit out of figuring out a different syntax of language, let alone the capabilities, features, and specialities of a different language.

    Please. Just learn assembly if you really think they're all the same. I'm telling you you cannot make a network card wiggle at frequency 200mhz amplitude 2m with a high level language. You need to know about the electronic structure of the computer, how every little electric signal generates some mechanical movement in the hardware. That's the lowest of the languages. As you go higher, you specialize in other functionalities but lose capabilities in others. Languages are not the same. Java and C# may be similar. Deviate that more Java and Python are even more distance. Even more and what you do in Java cannot be done in ASM. I advocate real programmers to learn more low level languages in order to better stand the capabilities of whatever higher language they choose later, and then know the ins and outs, strengths and weaknesses, so they can either continue coding in that language, or create libraries from lower level languages to add functionality. But of course you won't believe that. You're the kind of person that'll say "if earth is round, then gravity would pull all the water to the bottom of the earth and thus 1/3 of the world would be dry land 2/3rd of it complete water with no islands in sight." Why? Because you're a fucking tard that barely passed high school and got his degree at Arkansas State University.
     
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  6. MikeJT

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    Why learn to do something that doesn't make any money?
     
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    So is it true did they quit?
     
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    I'm curious also.

    Don't see why their crowd is catered to when they don't even play the game.
     
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  9. HiramA

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    I hate to agree with Drunk because of how abrasive he is being... but he is right.

    High level languages and modern computing as we know it wouldn't exist without low level languages. Nothing that is easy to do and user friendly would be possible without low level languages... and as far as I know, low level languages tend to be a lot more hardware efficient than high level languages.

    Anyone can write a simple program in a high level language, not many can write even a simple program in a low level language.

    If you deeply understand low level languages, understanding high level languages will be easy because high level languages are literally built off low level languages.

    If you're an employer with a job opening - who are you going to hire? The dude that can slap together a shitty Java program like 1,000,000 other candidates can or the dude that could have written Java?

    There's a reason why basically everything important runs on low level languages. Have fun making a stable/functional/efficient SCADA system in a high level language (if it's even possible?).
     
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  10. Check Mate

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    I haven't seen alpha nerd debates like this since college.

    What do I win for have graduated from a top 5 computer science school with a job before I graduated, and have been making over six figures since I was 24 working on a large piece of software written with VB .net and SQL?

    Oh yah nothing because nobody gives a shit. You sound exactly like those one or two nerds that exist in every single CS class that insist on wasting everyone's time debating the professor on some random issue to prove to the class how smart you are.
     
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  11. turk0lu

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    Just woke up from a dank dream where all I saw were 0's and 1's lol kids are SO FUCKED
     
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  12. otoan

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    You know what all that sounds like? Government jobs. I'm never fucking working for the government again. I did my time in the Navy. Fuck if I wanted to work for the government I could drop out of school right now and get a nice paying job with my TS/SCI and signals analyst background.

    I don't care about C, C++ or w/e the fuck else you're jacking off to every evening. Is low/middle level programming closer to hardware? Sure means it can manipulate it better. Is that what I'm trying to go for in my career? Nope. So since my grandpa wrote in machine language for 20 years does that make him a better coder than you? Well he probably was, but he's definitely not going around with some raging ego telling everyone who uses high level programming how bad they are despite that that's where the industry is going.

    Also my signature is to say that no one knows how well each darkfall is going to do and having a bias towards one doesn't mean the other is going to fail. At this point, it's all rng. Everything is needed to run that small little program in a command line or eclipse or w/e.
     
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    Yeah, that'd be them. Although they spent most of the time playing LoL and only logging in for sieges
     
  14. Dunk Slammington

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    Guess I'll have to return my 150k a year. I'll have to tell my supervisor to return his 200k too I guess...
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    You know what Java programming sounds like? A startup company that's gonna fail in two years because the donors are gonna realize the product they are putting out isn't gonna have much retail out of it.

    Also, if Intel, AMD, Raytheon, Boeing, Aerojet Rocketdyne, SpaceX, General Electrics, etc all sound like goverment jobs to you, you should go get a physical to see if you have some glaucoma in those eyes of yours. And if you think working a government job at JPL or any other NASA or DoD laboratory that's not in the middle of nowhere sucks you aren't doing it right.

    My original point in criticizing your signature was to inform you that you were the one with the mighty ego problem waiving your 'hurrdurr I kno code im kool' ego-dick around but I guess you'd like to go off tangent and point fingers at me for telling you Java is a fucking cripple kids language that anyone could do.
     
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    https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/

    here you go buddy, go be with your people
     
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    There is an old AV dev blog about how df is a combination of Java and c++. New Dawn converted all of their game to java back when we were in alpha.

    Thought I would share some aspergers with you guys.
     
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  17. otoan

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    This game is written in Java. Why would I not do it in this language? lol. And how big of a signature do you want it to be? It's a stupid little program that took me literally 30 seconds to write up. The fact that you read more into it is your problem not mine. The only one with an ego here is you. That's why you had to respond.

    Also as someone about to get out of school looking for jobs and I'm also living in St. Louis, boeing is a large employee here. So when you mentioned them I laughed because I know they hire people that know java and c#. https://jobs.boeing.com/job/-/-/185/4954070?utm_source=Indeed&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Indeed

    And while I haven't mastered C++, I have dabbled in it and it's not nearly as complicated as you make it out to be. It's more of a high level language than a low level language but since Java and C# are out it's categorized with the middle level languages.

    I've been stationed/visited several DoD/NSA facilities. They are pretty much all the same and I'm not about that life. If you work on satellites and you're in DoD where are you at? Colorado? I have had several CTT buddies stationed there.
     
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  18. Dunk Slammington

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    You know what Java programming sounds like? A startup company that's gonna fail in two years because the donors are gonna realize the product they are putting out isn't gonna have much retail out of it.

    Also, if Intel, AMD, Raytheon, Boeing, Aerojet Rocketdyne, SpaceX, General Electrics, etc all sound like goverment jobs to you, you should go get a physical to see if you have some glaucoma in those eyes of yours. And if you think working a government job at JPL or any other NASA or DoD laboratory that's not in the middle of nowhere sucks you aren't doing it right.

    My original point in criticizing your signature was to inform you that you were the one with the mighty ego problem waiving your 'hurrdurr I kno code im kool' ego-dick around but I guess you'd like to go off tangent and point fingers at me for telling you Java is a fucking cripple kids language that anyone could do.
    www.meatspin.com and you with yours.
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    The point is you shouldn't be shoving code into a signature in the first place whether you do it with an easy language or hard. It just makes you look like a pretentious tard. That's why I responded.

    And sure, Boeing, SpaceX etc all are gonna have some Java programmers here and there. I never said Java was useless, you and your bigass dick wanted to shove that down my throat and go off tangent from the main point. But compared to the ASM in the EE fields or C/C++ in the other majority of the jobs Boeing has I think you should quit it with the links. If someone hires 10 assembly developers and one dude to make their website look pretty, you can't say Java >>>>>>>>>>>> all other low level languages.

    You've only dabbled in C++. Try actually learning all the ins and outs before you run your mouth off. That's like reading an elementary physics textbook and saying that quantum mechanics is easy.

    And finally, I'm not at DoD, I'm contracted at JPL. This is what I mean, you people don't fucking read and automatically assume shit and start running your mouth to save face.

    P.S. I would also highly recommend checking out this novel
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    it'll fix a lot of those reading comprehension deficiencies you have.
     
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  19. otoan

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    All Boeing's software engineers say c++, c#, and/or java. lol.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Have you talked to any of them working on embedded or control systems? Sure you could use C# and Java to make programs calculating trajectory, airspeed, or display a certain movie in their plane's TVs but if you actually want to make the plane move, or retrieve temperature data from its engine senors, or have its processor actually, well, interpret code, your gonna need to get down and dirty. That's where ASM comes along, and that's where a good bulk of programming is done in terms of engineering rather than hocuspocus Java witchcraft. And yes, boeing uses C++ thank you for finally noticing.
     
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