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Having to level Archery just for water fighting

Discussion in 'Game Design Discussion' started by Magos, Jun 29, 2017.

  1. Magos

    Magos Windlord
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    Kind of one of my biggest annoyances in game right now. Anything been discussed about this? Its one of the reasons why you have to level everything in the game to be viable. You need high lvl archery and you need to take a good bow just so you dont get destroyed if the fight goes to water. At least in UW you could fire mana missile under water.
    So does the community like this aspect of the game? Needing archery to water fight? I personally hate it so interested how others view this.
     
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    I think its pretty unrealistic to fire a bow underwater. Then again its pretty unrealistic to use magic 0_o
     
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  3. Ledwulf

    Ledwulf Deadeye
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    I hate it. I suck at it. I don't want to level it so I'm just avoiding water for now.

    I understand that there are people that love it and are actually pretty good at it ;)
     
  4. Magos

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    ya man me too just avoiding water at all costs right now. But you need it eventually to have fun ship fights cause eventually it will lead to the water, and if you dont got good archery then ur toast.
     
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    I feel bolt spell should be usuable underwater or atleast offer a water magic specialization that allow the use of icicle and what not under water
     
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  6. Magos

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    magic is real bro! But ya arrows under water shooting the same as on dry land is crazy unrealistic. Always hated it.
     
  7. Ledwulf

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    Nah I'm like a cat I just don't like water so chance you gonna meet me on the boat is rare :)
     
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    I am actually pretty good at water archery and have won a fair number of times outnumbered. That said I hate this mechanic and pretty much everything that has to do with the water scene in DF. I think there are options to make it great but its just not right now. Just my 2cents.
     
  9. MikeJT

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    Plenty of people level shit they don't want to level because they have to for the game.

    Until some balance changes are made, making changes to water combat because mages don't like having to level archery would kind of be a slap in the face to any player who ever decided to try to be anything but a cookie cutter 6 surging school mage.
     
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    Forcing people to level shit that they don't want to or will never/rarely use (look at magics) is bad game design.

    I rarely miss underwater with archery and I think their should be another option for people.
     
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    I love water fighting and everything that goes along with it. I am all for reducing the grind by speeding up archery gians, however.
     
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    I hate that I have to level 1h just to mount fight. Please let me use 2h off mounts thanks.
     
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  13. RootedOak

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    I love water fighting as a mage. Even though BPG buffed destros by giving them Magic Shield (a former little known advantage only mages had).

    Its an easy way to thin out the people who can't hop as well as their friends, the people who didn't bring a good bow, and the people who can't do the water dance.
     
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    Archery already levels stupidly fast. It only takes like 4k arrows to get from 0 base skill to 50 sharpshooter, maybe even less than that.
     
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    What's a good bow?

    I saw some dude selling an R60 that had same damage as my R40 only a bit faster...meh to that
     
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    And then what happens? Another 12 - 24 hours to get it to 75 as well as high enough dex to be competitive.
     
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    The bow speed is really important to dps. I can't stand those new slow bows. Their damage is amazing, but the noch speed is horrible. I spend most of my time not group fighting, so I won't have archery haste. Compare the r60 slow bow to the r40 slow bow.

    I prefer the middle speed bows, but the fast ones are okay. The ranks for bows are a fair indicator of their quality.
     
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  18. Magos

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    My biggest prob with it is not actually the leveling i guess. Its just having to take out that third weap and not even use it unless its a water fight.
     
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    It's true, it's an annoyance. Good players will always carry one, especially because of how powerful archery disable is.
     
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    Or to disable, or to keep DPS up after you Pungent someone and have them not able to see you still, or if you've run out of mana and need to finish off a low target without transferring health to mana. Just saying it's useful to have a bow for things beside water fighting.
     
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