Welcome to the Rise of Agon Community

Create an account today to engage in discussions and community events on the Rise of Agon forums.

Mount Sprint

Discussion in 'Design Discussions' started by kilrain, May 31, 2019.

?

Remove stamina and add sprint as a skill? plus other options

  1. Yes, remove stamina and make a skill

    16 vote(s)
    27.6%
  2. No, fix stamina

    17 vote(s)
    29.3%
  3. Other [if you don't want either - explain in a response]

    17 vote(s)
    29.3%
  4. STYLE 1: Each mount has same sprint speed and cooldown

    7 vote(s)
    12.1%
  5. STYLE 2: Each mount type will have different sprint speeds, same cooldown

    6 vote(s)
    10.3%
  6. STYLE 3: Each mount type will have same speeds, different cooldown

    3 vote(s)
    5.2%
  7. STYLE 4: Each mount type will have different speeds and different cooldowns

    12 vote(s)
    20.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
    Staff Member Developer Team Lead

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,795
    Likes Received:
    6,396
    Short and sweet, we know it's broken. We know some people probably abuse it on purpose, others on accident.

    After putting a lot of thought into this I think it would serve better to remove mount stamina and go with a skill instead. Place it wherever you want on the hotbar, it makes the mount sprint for a predetermined amount of time and goes on cooldown.

    You can pick 2 options in the poll. Use one for the skill/no skill and one for the skill style options
     
  2. propain

    propain Black Knight
    Loyal Hero

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,042
    Likes Received:
    1,304
    I want a mount that I can use to combat loot and function as a portable strong box. Thanks.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
  3. Grimtide

    Grimtide Evil Eye
    Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Messages:
    5,619
    Likes Received:
    7,539
    Remove mount stamina/sprint, bring racial mounts back up to 400 hp, make blue tails faster than regular mounts, battlehorns same speed as regular mounts.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    windbanger, Uncle Jo, rats and 13 others like this.
  4. Animal

    Animal Eodrin
    Hero

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2016
    Messages:
    2,107
    Likes Received:
    2,991
    Why don't we go back to the old mounts that weren't a problem and served their purpose?
     
  5. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
    Staff Member Developer Team Lead

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,795
    Likes Received:
    6,396
    So make it back to the old way where everyone used bluetails?
     
    JEDIMind, Fengor, Forgotten and 2 others like this.
  6. Kael Trighton

    Kael Trighton Deadeye
    Benefactor Tester

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    Messages:
    160
    Likes Received:
    182
    Remove sprint mechanic all together. Add new tiers of mounts. T1 slowest speed, T2 medium speed, T3 fastest speed. Health stays the same on all tiers. Higher tier require rare mats and are more expensive to make. Never hurts to have more content.
     
    Inkarnation, Korag and Billy Lee like this.
  7. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
    Staff Member Developer Team Lead

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2015
    Messages:
    3,795
    Likes Received:
    6,396
    that's a lot of unused mounts. Think of all the rank 0-40 weapons we no longer use for anything.
     
    Inkarnation likes this.
  8. Animal

    Animal Eodrin
    Hero

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2016
    Messages:
    2,107
    Likes Received:
    2,991
    Yes, the mount that had less HP and only had the benefit of being faster as a result. The mount type that didn't allow people to run without fear because they didn't have a tank that runs at bluetail speed after begoning away.

    No one cares about unused gear. That's the whole point of being a game developer - to add - not reskin things once they've become obsolete for a particular group.

    Maybe if you were a small indie developer working alone, then I'd understand using old models from a prior game in a new one, but that isn't the case here.
     
  9. Grimtide

    Grimtide Evil Eye
    Legend

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2015
    Messages:
    5,619
    Likes Received:
    7,539
    They have 150 hp. racial mounts would have 400. I'm not asking for a big difference in speed, just get rid of the stupid mount stamina. I imagine people would ride a bluetail and keep a racial/bhorn in their paperdoll.

    Not opposed to exploring this idea either.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Inkarnation, Sique, Fengor and 2 others like this.
  10. propain

    propain Black Knight
    Loyal Hero

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,042
    Likes Received:
    1,304
    Increase steedgrass or cost then. Steedgrass is dirt cheap ever since mounts became the same. If a bluetail had less hp, ran faster and cost 2 or 3 grass each it might be a useful material again, although idk about now. Lotta grass in the system since everyone only needed to use 1 for the longest time.

    Also this statement is the exact same as it was before. Everyone uses normal mounts, they ignore bluetails unless map running, and bhorns are only used in sieges or for escape. Its basically interchanging bluetails with the racial mounts but its less grass used. Sure it gives the illusion of more diversity because racial mounts ARE different but its really just the same as it was, except were slower and grass is less valued.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
  11. Oresmacker

    Oresmacker Obsidian Golem
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,678
    Likes Received:
    2,251
    I like the old mounts

    Everyone used them, yea but y’all can make skins in the cash shop if you are worried about our RP’ers.

    Blue tails was actually balanced to what we have now imo. You basically have blue tails with a timer with a ridiculous amount of health. It’s dumb trying to catch someone. Not to mention literally everyone abuses the sprint bug, making it even more so cancerous.
     
    Korag and Blaze like this.
  12. Kael Trighton

    Kael Trighton Deadeye
    Benefactor Tester

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2015
    Messages:
    160
    Likes Received:
    182
    Ok how about just an extra tier. Tier 1 is current mount at current run speed and its 1 steedgrass. Tier 2 is perma sprint speed but is 3 steed and 1 rare ingot and 1 rare leather? Tier 1 is a cheap disposable option and tier 2 is a preferred option but more risky. Game could always use more sinks for resources.
     
    Korag and Marxman like this.
  13. Marxman

    Marxman Black Knight
    Loyal

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,282
    Likes Received:
    682
    I don't like managing a stam bar while I travel long distances, let alone a god damn cooldown, I'd prefer it's just one stable speed but I wouldn't mind some mounts being slightly faster than others I suppose idk
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Inkarnation likes this.
  14. Blaze

    Blaze Varangian Warthane

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2017
    Messages:
    881
    Likes Received:
    1,236
    I prefer this as well tbh, people who travel Far will use blue tails and cost more grass that’s a plus,
    People will still use regular mounts thanks to being able to make mount in the open now. What grim said tho people who travel will prom make a blue tail and have a backup mount in their inventory. The old system wasn’t bad imo
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
  15. Billy Lee

    Billy Lee Varangian Warthane
    Team B Lifetime

    Joined:
    May 3, 2017
    Messages:
    872
    Likes Received:
    1,251
    I like the old mounts but bluetails were op for making quick escapes around the terrain.I do like Kael's idea of new mount tiers that cost new/better mats. I also like the idea of being able to feed/raise your mount to increase its stats.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Fawley, rats, Korag and 1 other person like this.
  16. Schnid

    Schnid Akathar
    Hero

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2016
    Messages:
    259
    Likes Received:
    499
    Revert all combat changes including mount changes.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Inkarnation likes this.
  17. Marxman

    Marxman Black Knight
    Loyal

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,282
    Likes Received:
    682
    What about the paperdoll mount being stock and more like a skill that has a 30min cooldown if it dies or something and the stock mount you can make unique some way in stats/looks? Idk just random ideas. Maybe some mount armor/skins or something.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Billy Lee likes this.
  18. BeatIt

    BeatIt Obsidian Golem
    Loyal Legend

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    1,906
    Likes Received:
    2,260
    none of this




    imo this is simple and its what we want:

    normal mounts : 300 hp normal speed
    bluetail : 150 hp 10% movement speed increase
    Battlehorn: 600 hp -10% speed 5% melee attack on mount increase

    REMOVE COMPLETELY the stam bar it was a bad system and its still bug after a long time.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Blaze likes this.
  19. Blaze

    Blaze Varangian Warthane

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2017
    Messages:
    881
    Likes Received:
    1,236
    I would say make blue tails 100-150hp 175 is to big imo
    Also prob don’t need the extra melee dmg on battle horns that extra hp is huge and enough to be used for a mount push with 1 handers
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
  20. Sero

    Sero Gnoll Vilegaunt
    Loyal Legend

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2016
    Messages:
    6,927
    Likes Received:
    9,058
    PSSSSSSSSSSSSST: THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM WAS FINE.
     
    Collapse Signature Expand Signature
    Inkarnation, Sique, rats and 2 others like this.