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Mount Sprint

Discussion in 'Design Discussions' started by kilrain, May 31, 2019.

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Remove stamina and add sprint as a skill? plus other options

  1. Yes, remove stamina and make a skill

    16 vote(s)
    27.6%
  2. No, fix stamina

    17 vote(s)
    29.3%
  3. Other [if you don't want either - explain in a response]

    17 vote(s)
    29.3%
  4. STYLE 1: Each mount has same sprint speed and cooldown

    7 vote(s)
    12.1%
  5. STYLE 2: Each mount type will have different sprint speeds, same cooldown

    6 vote(s)
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  6. STYLE 3: Each mount type will have same speeds, different cooldown

    3 vote(s)
    5.2%
  7. STYLE 4: Each mount type will have different speeds and different cooldowns

    12 vote(s)
    20.7%
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  1. Geezy

    Geezy Crypt Guard
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    My vote: if it's not an easy fix, remove mount stam entirely.

    Bluetails should be low hp and faster (as they are),
    Regular mounts should be medium hp (300 or 400) and medium speed,
    Battlehorns should be high hp and slightly slower than regular mounts.

    I think we've all learned that balancing can be a nightmare. While giving each racial mount different abilities, strengths/weaknesses would be cool, I don't know if the development time, as well as the time testing and balancing those mounts would be worth the effort. Just my 2 cents.
     
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  2. BeatIt

    BeatIt Obsidian Golem
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    normal mounts : 300 hp normal speed
    bluetail : 150 hp 10% movement speed increase
    Battlehorn: 600 hp -10% speed 5% melee attack on mount increase

    i came up whit this on the first page, i agree 100% whit u, trash that stam bar )
     
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  3. Isaac Clarke

    Isaac Clarke Chosen of Khamset
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    Mount stamina is tedious and not fun

    Even if the bug (which everyone uses and you basically need to use to live) is fixed its still a boring system that only gets in the way
     
  4. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    I'm thinking along the lines of differences that are not all directly combat related.

    Racials base speed w/ carrying capacity (old style w/carry)
    Bluetails increased speed, lower health, no carrying capacity (old style)
    Battlehorns base speed w/ increased health (old style)

    Then we can look at creating custom mounts and skins. Maybe throw in some other utility types. The biggest thing is speed, health, and defense when it comes to combat IMO, so as long as those things are 'balanced' the other additions can be tweaked quite a bit.

    The main concern with carrying capacity is putting some restrictions in place for any potential abuse.
     
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  5. Geezy

    Geezy Crypt Guard
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    Sorry my G, didn't mean to step on your toes. I'm browsing this at work so I probably missed a few posts lol

    Fair. As long as they aren't combat related, maybe the balancing won't be too difficult. Custom mounts/custom skins would be dope.

    As far as potential abuse... we just need more people to step up with /GM_reports when they find abuse-able stuff.
     
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  6. BeatIt

    BeatIt Obsidian Golem
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    lol nothing to be sorry about, just glad a lot of players think the same way
     
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  7. Nat

    Nat Shadow Knight
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    Ah never played that game so fair enough if it sucked. Though I heard mounts moved faster on roads, how was that?
     
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  8. BeatIt

    BeatIt Obsidian Golem
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    it was a highway lol, it was way to fast and buggy
     
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  9. Slayven

    Slayven Eodrin
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    Cool because it created pipelines for organic pvp.

    Buggy yes
     
  10. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    Ever play Archeage? I like their method better. They have posts/signs setup every x meters and you activate it to get a short temporary speed boost. They last long enough to reach the next post and worth using. It's less prone to being buggy.
     
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  11. Slayven

    Slayven Eodrin
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    I personally think we have plenty of fast travel it’s just my opinion.
    And ya this could work but I feel we have a lot bigger fish to fry..
    Stam bug I not sure how to chime in on this so I haven’t..sorry.
     
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    Worst idea of entire thread

    Did you even play Unholy Wars when they had this?

    It makes anyone getting chased by 2 or more other players on mounts 100% fucked

    Think about it your running and a guy hops off his mount tags yours even once and his friend will catch up and ride you down

    Its like mount leapfrogging but ×100 easier and more effective


    It literally made me quit playing UW in Q2 2015 because I couldn't do any pvp by myself or duo without just donating bags if you saw a group you were 100% dead if ur mount got hit even once


    Most pro zerg mechanic ever
     
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  13. Slayven

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    As I do a lot of farming alone I don’t think I would like this either.
     
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  14. Auron

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    Fix stamina and add mounts inventory ...50kg for blutail...150kg racial mounts...250 battlehorn....any progect for new mounts ?
     
  15. Juicy

    Juicy Black Knight
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    Hey does anyone work customer support? had a ticket for 2+ days now and not a soul has touched it
     
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  16. lamigra

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    Mount Changes

    • Eradans excel at speed but fall behind at health.
    Stats Default Values Eradan Feral Eradan Vicious Eradan Deadly Eradan
    Speed 7.5 8 8.2 8.4 8.8
    Health 400 400 350 325 250
    Attack Damage 50 50 50 50 50
    Weight Capacity 350 350 350 350 350

    • Death Pigs excel at health but fall behind at damage.
    Stats Default Values Death Pig Steedfast Death Pig Stoic Death Pig Zealous Death Pig
    Speed 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
    Health 400 550 700 1000 1600
    Attack Damage 50 50 45 40 30
    Weight Capacity 350 350 350 350 350

    • Tribeland Bears excel at damage but fall behind at weight capacity.
    Stats Default Values Tribeland Bear Hearty Tribeland Bear Venerable Tribeland Bear Patriarch Tribeland Bear
    Speed 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.5
    Health 400 400 400 400 400
    Attack Damage 50 75 100 125 150
    Weight Capacity 350 350 300 250 200

    • Garmirs excel at weight capacity but fall behind at speed.
    Stats Default Values Garmir Strong Garmir Sturdy Garmir Atlas Garmir
    Speed 7.5 7.5 7.38 7.27 7.05
    Health 400 400 400 400 400
    Attack Damage 50 50 50 50 50
    Weight Capacity 350 450 550 750 1150

    Riding a mount requires a certain level of riding skill (available to all - under the General Skills category) according to its tier
    (Base tier mounts don’t have any requirements)
     
  17. Fawley

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    I'm not a huge fan of mount sprinting and don't really see how it changes much. Apart from bluetails being slightly better at medium distance until they run out stamina but that's meh and the speed difference isn't big enough that I care too much if I have stamina or not.

    I would rather see mounts be a bit faster but potentially with less health. If someone is at a good distance on a mount with full health they shouldn't ever get run down by a group hopping at them. That's just my opinion though.

    I would like to see some diversity in mounts but it's very difficult since speed is always king. When both people are mounted then speed is the only thing that matters. The only time speed isn't as important is in mounted combat/mounted charge. I don't think the mounts are a big deal in the grand scheme of things but short term would like to see stamina removed, mount speed slightly buffed and maybe have to buff bluetail speed above others otherwise it's got no point.
     
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  18. kilrain

    kilrain Shadow Knight
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    I like the concept, and would want to have the other races mounts learned maybe through found recipes or something.
     
  19. JEDIMind

    JEDIMind Frostjarl
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    I'm a fan of the old ways of DFO1. Back in the days tho you couldn't bhop and stuff..
    If you run up On someone farming and they spawn their mount you have a very small window to down that mount before you will lose it. Now see i thought this was fair cause once that mount is out of range you most likely will not catch that farmer. Which as a ganker it's only fair to the player im jumping to have a chance.

    Now people mount up when getting jumped and people just bhop them down.
    Honestly mounts are not to big of a problem...I think bhopping is where the problem is..ANYTHING you do to mounts killrain will just end up with people bhopping them down still.
    Why?
     
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  20. MikerotchBAGFACE

    MikerotchBAGFACE Varangian Warthane

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    This is the problem with darkfall, someone who knows shit all about bad mechanics and their affects on PvP voicing their dumbass opinions. 90% of the population doesn't leave their holding without Tom dick an Andy holding their pussy, thats the problem with this game.
     
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