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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Ansem, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. Zorak

    Zorak Dire Zombie
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    Yeah watched it back and he was in purple robes, sorry. Vid coming soon.

    Bone vs naked is a big difference actually. The more physical protections you have, the less elemental damage you take from a transmute. Of course this stacks with elemental protections as well, so someone with both slashing and cold protection takes far less cold damage. In the video I'm going to post, I hit a plate/scale wearing player for low 80s in the back, when he has his staff out, using the exact same sword. ~30 damage less per hit for putting on some gear. Once 3-piece infernal becomes the norm, mounts will hit for noticeably less.
     
  2. Teclis

    Teclis Undead Dwarf
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    ahh ok sorry i forgot he died just before that fight and quick regeared in robes you're correct
     
  3. MikeJT

    MikeJT Black Knight
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    Removing self or other buffs would seriously hurt low end characters.

    If two low end characters cross buff they stand a chance against a high end character.

    2 high end characters vs a low end character is already going to screw the low end, and diminishing returns means other buffs benefit low end chars much more than high end chars.

    My swing speed is still painfully slow with Impetus buff. No way could I even come close to competing without it.
     
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    Kilset Black Knight
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  5. kilrath81

    kilrath81 Black Knight
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    Great post bro. You win forumfall, lol
     
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  6. Teclis

    Teclis Undead Dwarf
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    Its definitely a nice trump card to hold.
     
  7. Kilset

    Kilset Black Knight
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    i aint hating you got them swoley forearms bro
     
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  8. Teclis

    Teclis Undead Dwarf
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    those are coding forearms
     
  9. Bladra

    Bladra Chosen of Khamset
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    This was because it was server vs server and the defensive advantage had been lost in the prior fight.
     
  10. Jonah_Veil

    Jonah_Veil Chosen of Khamset
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    You don't balance combat around newer players, you balanced it on end game, everyone knows that.
     
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  11. Kalos

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    This never gets old.

    Whenever I read one of his shit posts, I look at his avatar and ignore him.
     
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  12. MikeJT

    MikeJT Black Knight
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    Well aware of this, but you can't ignore new players in DF.

    The point at which a new player can reasonably compete and become a factor in fights would be significantly pushed back without buff-others or self-buffs.

    Every time I hear someone saying "remove self buffs! remove other buffs!" or whatever, I think "You really want to kill this game don't you?"

    If you push the point players become relevant back too far it will drive a lot of players out of the game.
     
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  13. ThiefGarrett

    ThiefGarrett Earth Elemental
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    Buffs push it further because you have to learn them. It is a requirement.
    Without buffs there is less to learn and less of a gap between a player that has not learned them and a player that has.
    You cannot compare a new player using buffs vs an old player because the old player will have the buffs as well.
    The only thing you can actually compare is stuff that becomes useless later, other types of buffs will always be used.
    Removing buffs DOES reduce the gap and makes balancing other/new specializations easier.
     
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  14. MikeJT

    MikeJT Black Knight
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    This is really misguided.

    Diminishing returns has been in the game for ages. Self-Buffs and buff-others largely benefit lower tier characters far more than high tier characters.

    If I buff someone with 50 quickness, taking them to 90, the benefit to them is much greater than the benefit a vet with 90 quick gets being buffed to 120.

    A new player who grinds a 2 h melee mastery to 56 or whatever will still be at a disadvantage because they won't have the quickness, strength, vitality or dex to deal the damage a veteran can. But I can slap a Hymn of Might, Hymn of Quickness, Hymn of Skill and Hymn of Vigor and they're pretty much on even footing.

    I can hit a vet with those spells too but the benefit of going from 50 to 90 is much greater than 100 to 120.

    Hence, removing buffs INCREASES the gap.
     
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    NERF MOUNTS!!!!!! A cancerous POS wasted my clans time harassing us for around an HOUR last night, and every time we chased, he ran off popping mount after mount, getting more mounts from a nearby wilderness bank. He also de geared from his infernal bag to a shtty leather one when he almost died the first time.

    This shit happens all the time. People try to get an easy kill, then run away on their mounts for miles when they can't.

    I'm just going to start logging off when I see this crap. It's the worst part about "pvp" right now.
     
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  16. Aristos Giannes

    Aristos Giannes Cairn Giant
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    This isn't wholly true. Otherwise no one would be complaining about impale. Impale gives vets a massive damage boost with just one spell since noobs likely will not have arcane jewelry. If this were an Arena game with no levels, then yes combat should be balanced at the top level of play. But since all levels of players, day 1 noobs included, can participate in any aspect of the game, that changes the dynamic of combat.

    It's like if League suddenly allowed level 1 players to match up with level 30s in competitive. No one would play it anymore besides people who were already at level 30. So we need mechanics in game that help noobs be more effective and useful in combat. This means somewhat dumbing combat down, or having mechanics similar to a 'noob tube'.

    If you don't like it, push for the removal of a character and gear grind. Otherwise accept it as the current reality of the game.
     
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  17. MikeJT

    MikeJT Black Knight
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    Sounds a lot like bunny hopping.
     
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  18. kilrath81

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    Ironic given you're talking about ignoring shit posts while in fact posting your own shit post in the process.
     
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  19. Kalos

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    only you think its a shit post.
     
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  20. NonFactor

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    at least he has the balls to put him on avatar.

    most of ppl here wanna sounds like a baller but looks like a smeagol irl.
     
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