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Remove WOF/COME HITHER

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Dotix, Dec 1, 2018.

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REMOVE WOF/COME HITHER

  1. ya mon

  2. no mon

  3. only come hither

  4. only wof

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  1. Dotix

    Dotix Wildtribe Mage
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    REMOVE WOF/COME HITHER
     
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  2. kinglear

    kinglear Frostjarl

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    "wah wah wah please remove everything that i hate!!!1!"
     
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  3. SuB ZeRo

    SuB ZeRo Varangian Warthane
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    Come hither is balanced because you can parry it.

    Wof definitely needs to be adjusted though. I'd say making the spell visual/pull range smaller. Also maybe destro's should just be able to run through it.
     
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  4. Kantor

    Kantor Varangian Warthane
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    Gotta take out bunny hopping to if not then no.
     
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  5. Fengor

    Fengor Obsidian Golem

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    They could always just turn it into a WALL that appears adds temporary cover for 5 seconds. Would be tactical as fuck
     
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  6. KoKane

    KoKane Winterbound

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    I would like that. Sort of like Wall of Stone in UO or something, but I've a feeling it'd be a bit harder to code or something.

    A temporary change could be to perhaps reverse the pull effect, and repel people off the area in the bubble. Maybe increase its size too, so its impassable terrain basically. Good for zoning. Could be very interesting in big fights, or lame if spammed, but it takes AOE cooldown and AOE's wont be focused on wofs anymore
     
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  7. Animal

    Animal Obsidian Golem
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    Have you played this game recently? If so, then you'd know that Come Hither needs to be removed from the game or have its magnitude SEVERELY reduced. lol. It's quite literally the most broken spell in the game and has always been the most broken spell.
     
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  8. Sique

    Sique Shadow Knight
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    AV added a spell like that in UW and it completely fucked the servers and everyone froze in place.
     
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  9. Sero

    Sero Forest Golem
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    They nerfed it substantially. It's fine.
     
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  10. Animal

    Animal Obsidian Golem
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    Nice troll, kiddo. In a game where character control and positioning mean everything - let's have a spell in-game that removes both of those from the player! lol.
     
  11. Sero

    Sero Forest Golem
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    Lets have a spell that can also be used defensively by your team to pull you back into position! :D

    I got a better idea, let's get rid of everything and use only bolts, archery, and greatswords. Nothing else that is fun allowed!
     
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  12. Animal

    Animal Obsidian Golem
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    Yet... it almost never plays out like that and you're aware of that, but want to continue to play dumb. ;)

    This game without confusion and come hither spam would be beautiful thing.
     
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  13. Sero

    Sero Forest Golem
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    Yea confusion definitely needs something to be done. Can agree with that.
     
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    Scrapnotcrap Obsidian Golem
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    I voted ''ya mon'' quick. I just realized i voted yes:rage:

    For several reason, i vote no. It's too many things to rebalanced if you are going to remove the only counters to most of the shit we got to deal with in DF: bunny hop, higher grounds, AOE's, mounts, blinds, Melee cluster, knock-ups and current state of heavies.
     
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  15. quietnoobz

    quietnoobz Infernal

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    Stop removing shit from my darkfall pls
     
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  16. Ikaika Koa

    Ikaika Koa Goblin Shaman
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    WoF's area of effect needs to be reduced to reflect it's visual. It pulls you from outside of the visual bubble.

    Confusion spam is annoying as hell right now and should be adjusted. Maybe greatly increase the cast time so people have to think twice before just throwing it out there mid fight, as they'll be locked on the spell for a bit. Reducing the duration would be good. Could also slow down the spell somewhat to allow for more reaction time, but it is fairly slow already.

    Come hither needs an adjustment as well. Spammed too easily. It is a very useful spell that can make or break a fight.(It can be argued whether that's good or bad)
    Maybe increasing the cast time will be enough to lessen it's effect mid-fight?
     
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  17. HeganHatsumo

    HeganHatsumo Fire Elemental

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    the list of broke as fuck goes in this order,

    1) FAST NORMAL MOUNTS AND BATTLEHORNS

    2) WOF
     
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    Oresmacker Black Knight
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    I like that idea, could also see it as a support lock out type thing like destro. Cause all you would ever have to do is just spam that at a choke point to push through if every mage in the game is able to cast it.

    Also one of the main reasons hither is so op is because of WoF. You can get a free disable and hither if you are catch someone in it. That 3 step combo imo is just too deadly and too easily done.
     
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    Scrubby Bear Obsidian Golem
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    Come hither by itself isn't a big deal imo. When paired with wof, which in turn makes disables brain dead easy to land it becomes an issue because you no longer have any options for counter play.... Other than die in the second wof like a man, regear and come back to the fight.

    Wof on the other hand..... When a single spell routinely determines the outcome of group fights all the way up to siege sized its easy to see that its by far the most powerful spell in the game in those settings. Not only is it so powerful but its painfully easy to use, much easier to use than it is to counter especially in chaotic large scale fights and it gets more and more cancerous the bigger the fights get. Its still amazing to me that such a broken force multiplier is still in the game after all these years :( Where a come hither might get one guy killed, I have been a part of countless fights both receiving and giving where a single wof directly results in 10+ people dying. Its a whole lot less fun than the fights before wof spam :(

    1v1 its almost a non factor spell, but this isn't a game about just 1v1's. It just gets more and more broken the bigger the fights get.

    I wish it would just be changed into a spell that didn't dumb the game down and was so unfun to be hit with. Balance reasons aside, its simply not a fun way to die. Dying while fighting is fun. Dying while floating in one or multiple wofs is not. I honestly don't find it all that fun killing people in them either but that is just me..... People have given countless suggestions. I tend to lean towards making it an actually barrier like its unholy wars version but really lots of the ideas are better than whats in game now. Would be nice to have it be something that is useful in 1v1 (which wof for the most part isn't) and also useful but not in a insane force multiplier way like the current wof is in group fights. I don't want the number of tools reduced, just changed a bit to not scale so insane when fights change size.
     
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  20. Sero

    Sero Forest Golem
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    IDK I think WoF is an important part of Darkfall.

    Is it strong? Sure. Could it be tuned down? Maybe. Should it be removed? Fuck no.
     
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