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Staves Costs

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by NonFactor, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. Volfen

    Volfen Celestial
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    Then the same old issue is augmented where a corpsecall is useless (previously because of darkscepters). There's little point to using a slow staff that's only going to be very slightly stronger than an omen, with much lower cast speed and higher cost (not to mention omen will also buff elemental damage). It looks like the costs to make these 2 are backwards.
     
  2. kilrath81

    kilrath81 Black Knight
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    If they made mage armor with higher physical damage resists against destro but lower elemental protections a level or more above bone would this make it worth while?

    are they somehow more expensive than q3/4/5 keen and stam efficiency?
     
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  3. Grimtide

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    considering a mage also uses keens and stam efficiency thats a shitty argument.
     
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  4. Ford Prefect

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    First, I would be fine with that on the armor.
    Second, mages wear those same keen's and stam eff. Also, mages generally have a cobra with magnitude and mana eff., and a buff staff with spell duration. A destroyers staff is much cheaper to spell haste than the mages mana eff. That said, destoyers do have to have enchanted rings/neck as well. But, the destroyer didn't spend 1mil+ gold in regs leveling their character, they spent 2k gold on r0 weapons and arrows.
     
  5. kilrath81

    kilrath81 Black Knight
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    leveling the builds is a completely different discussion i would think,
     
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  6. Korag

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    I was just making the point it is the best of that armor type avail
    Does not stop you from putting them on other items, jewlry, armor, weapons, This is the dumbest argument, if it was like this from the start nobody would complain, cause it made sense, its just yall being so used to super cheap staves and now they actually require that ya spend some time getting them.
     
  7. Ford Prefect

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    They are probably cheaper, but it's not like a hybrid/mage can be competitive with a 500g gear bag either. Also, I have seen plenty of destroyers post videos of them winning fights in robes or with a shit bag, so I don't want to hear about how mages can win with robes and a black bolt. Likely if you got beat by that guy, they were just better than you.
     
  8. kilrath81

    kilrath81 Black Knight
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    There is personal skill involved as well, i give you that. However the topic is the cost of the staves and how its a buff to destro keeps comming up. My point is hybrid bags are still too cheap in comparison.
     
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  9. Grimtide

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    you cant put a mana eff and magnitude on jewelry, armor, "other items", or any type of weapon other than a stave.
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    You want to go mage in infernal with q5 cobra and stam eff/keen, i'll play destro with 0 enchants and plate/scale and smoke you.
     
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  10. RootedOak

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    Fuck lifeforce.
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    Hybrid = Heavy Armor and Mage spells

    That means it's the most expensive possible combination.
     
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  11. Grimtide

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    claw is a bitch too
     
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  12. RootedOak

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    I have an idea. Lets add Claw to one of the new staff crafting recipes.
     
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  13. Grimtide

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    q1? ok

    anything above it?

    cancer
     
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  14. kilrath81

    kilrath81 Black Knight
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    Hybrid tends to be more Bone with Infernal fillers to keep encumbrance as low as possible while upping the defense. The bone is cheap, the filler are not but a full top tier destro will use all dragon/infernal.
     
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  15. Korag

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    Ill do that, can do it tonight in or around Vel
     
  16. RootedOak

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    I just converted 300 Q1 claw into Hivekin Claw(60) for 3000g. Could make it into a shit amount of Matayin Claw(12 lol)... I'll stick with Hivekin for now.
     
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  17. Korag

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    matayin claw is super easy to farm, no need to upgrade it.
     
  18. Grimtide

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    offer was to kilrath but i'll fight whoever. if it's even close my points proven.
     
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  19. RootedOak

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    Full Dragon mage with a max damage Sunbow = the suit Magnetic Man used to counter Luck in a 1v1 tournament in DF1. Using self buffs and having full heavy + using debuffs on the opponent is what makes hybrid worth it. If you don't do all those things, then Hybrid is vastly underpowered.
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    I'll never farm it. Too much work.
     
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  20. kilrath81

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    Why would I fight you to prove a gear bag cost difference? I'm not talking personal skill I'm talking top tier players vs top tier players with top tier gear bags... didn't think it was that hard to understand without trying to wave epeens all over the forums.
     
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