Here is the real question. What makes so many people play the games like Wow, Albion and any other mmo with a high pop? It has loot on kill like DF. What does it have that DF does not that draws people in? What ever that is let's look at how we can add it. We have something none of them have fully skill based pvp none of this tab targeting nonsence and no top down point to click moving. We have a vast open world we just need to put more stuff in it.