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There is no legit reason NOT to wipe/relaunch a NA server to coincide with HK launch.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Jujutsu_Kaisen, Mar 3, 2021.

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New NA server with Hong Kong launch?

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  1. MikeJT

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    The biggest reason not to wipe is that they said, repeatedly and consistently, that they wouldn't wipe.

    If they go back on that now, it will definitely have an impact on peoples faith in a promise not to wipe.

    Why would anyone go about doing anything that takes a significant amount of time in the game if they're concerned the server's just going to get wiped again?
     
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  2. Porch

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    I could say the same thing about playing on the current dead server. What is the point in stacking your bank when theres nobody to fight against. Roa has less people then dfo or uw had at any point.
     
  3. MikeJT

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    I really don't get it.

    People happy to have their banks and toons wiped but MERCS seem to snap up 90% of incoming players and happily supply them with gear (not great gear, but gear).

    Most clans aren't interested in taking on new players until they show they're fairly skilled at the game at which point they get poached.

    If you're so happy to get your band wiped, why not take a chance on some new players, bring them in, train them up, supply them with gear, and get them setup in the game?

    It will cost you a lot less time and effort than getting your entire bank wiped.
     
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    You are right, you really don't get it....

    Even if everyone hold hands the one or two 'new'/returning players the population will not improve. Games like this need a population to retain players and have any reason to play. Roaming a dead world or endlessly famring more mats you will never need has a limited appeal to most people.

    A wipe on the other hand is a fresh start that will bring back alot more population, providing a much better chance of player retention this time round. Thus also increasing the chance of attracting and retaining genuine nerw players.

    It also levels the trashed economy - creating a economy based on the changes made to date, not on waves of U Turns, duping of items etc... A new economy that would require players to continue pveing for longer this time, because villages and mines etc no longer shit out rare resources and Q4 mats 24/7 making pve an irrelivance.

    It is not rocket science....

    As for the argument about trust in the comunity with a wipe. IMO that is a total straw man argument. This is basically a private server, populated entirely by a comunity that has been together for decades. It is not some massive game that will alliente its huge player base!!! The launch of DFAsia is a gift in therms of wipe. A fresh launch on two regions etc. call the game so far beta, whatever, we basically all know each other after all this time - who gicves a fuck!?

    It is not 2000 guys. The era of MMOs wow style is dead and gone... This game has more in common to the player audience with survival sandbox games in 2020 - and they ALL wipe now. Time to move into the new millenium folks!

    I challenge anyone to list current popular MMOs that you genuinely think ROA, unwiped in its current state is going to steal customers from? There isnt any....
     
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  5. GrimReapiN

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    This argument would work if anything required a significant amount of time.

    As it stands now, every player would be nearly where they are within 1-2 months.

    Their banks would be stacked, theyd have q4 enchanting minimum, they could have all crafting maxed.

    So for 4 years theyve had perfect characters. But during those 4 years many players have benefitted from duping. The economy on the whole is completely fubar, really.

    And to correct this, would be to make these players start a new character, for a fresh start on the economy. Which would force 4 year veterans to actually play the game again for a minimum of 2-3 months.

    I understand the no wipe position, but honestly the position is standing on crumbling ground. Its supported by mute points.

    This game is dead, or at the very least, sitting at 30 beats per minute- in an indefinite hibernation due to lack of newer players.

    A lack of interest and a lack of advertisement has this game sitting well below GTA V private server populations, well below runescape private server populations, well below any semblance of lively population.

    This interest could be reinvigorated through seasonal wipes and streamer interest/activity for advertisement.

    As it stands now, anyone who is still advocating we go the route we're currently running doesn't see the bigger picture at work( lol ironic play on words): a dying game going no where and making 0 proactive changes or investment.


    It's by definition, insane.
     
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  6. Sorrow Avaritia

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    What would be the point in wiping if the game is just going to end up the same in a few months.
     
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    What's the point in not wiping if the game is just going to stay the same?

    Seasonal wipes force players into the world, creating the world PvP this game was created for.

    Or we can all hope the game begins receiving an influx of newer players, hope they dont get griefed out, and continue on as we are, fingers crossed.

    The HK server may change things, we'll see.

    Even if none of us can agree on the wipe situation, I believe we can all agree this game needs to be seen by people. Because the game is currently sitting as an enigma... its existence is near unknown, or at the very least, completely written off by those who do know of it. Another great point for wiping, "new game".
     
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    Just launch another NA server in Chicago or Dallas somewhere central and give it increased grind and reduced loot drops, and call it "RISE OF AGON:HARDCORE EDITION!"
     
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  9. Sorrow Avaritia

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    Seasonal wipes wont work unless there is new content for each wipe. In its current state each wipe would just have less and less people.
     
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    Wrong.
     
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  11. Sorrow Avaritia

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    People aren't going to keep leveling and grinding just to lose it all and do the exact same thing again with no new content.
     
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    Im sorry for just stating "wrong", what a stressful fucking workday.

    I know multiple veterans wjo have made new accounts, grinded them up, and are playing. It's happened with many folks. Those who dont wish to are the ones who either arent really playing, or are juat lingering because of the pixels in their bank. They shouldnt be arguing from this position. It's compromised.

    I believe they'd enjoy it even more if they knew everyone else was doing it as well.

    Leveling in Darkfall while there are many enemies around, potentially ganking you, is a fun rush. Its what Darkfall was originally.

    To bring that feeling back, time and time again, every 3 months, with some patches aling with it, would be great.
     
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  13. Sorrow Avaritia

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    I highly doubt that the majority of people would be willing to restart every 3 months without a significant reason, one of the main problems with DF is the pvp is fun but there is no real reason to do it.
     
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    Well, doubt all you like, the daya shows people are already doing just that.

    Youre avsolutely right, pvp without a purpose is terrible. Seasons, competition over leveling spots, respurces, etc. Would create dynamic pvp. Cant have that if every veteran and their alt is filled to the gills with loot.

    This game was made so people can fuck other people over. Ganking. Hard to give a fuck about that when loot is meaningless, and time is not a factoe becausencharacters are maxed. In the end its just an e-peen war, frivilous pvp without any reward.
     
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    Loot is meaningless because its to easy to get, not because of how long the game has been going, its far to easy to level and get gear for it to have any meaning. Loot will also lose meaning if it gets wiped every 3 months.

    Can you name me any successful seasonal game that doesn't add any content or change the meta in some way to keep it at least some what fresh.
     
  16. KoKane

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    From knowing, observing and understanding Darkfall players over the past years of the games existence since launch, I can tell you with confidence that any 'seasonal wipe' approach will result in a permanently dead Darkfall. And if its the current version of the game we have now? Then you can guarantee it.

    Loser mentality will kick in even easier with people who have a bad start or lose out early - which they will.
    When one clan/alliance starts strong and fucks over many others, people will happily await the next reset and ENJOY some other game, like they already do when they lose a village fight or even just an argument.

    "Yo log in, some sick sieges atm"
    - "nah cba, gonna wait for next wipe"

    next wipe
    "seriously this is retarded.. why did they change this from last season"



    Repeat that about 3 times and the whole concept will have run its course, as certain outcomes become predictable or highly likely.
    The changes required each time to make it worthwhile and fresh would have to increase each time, up to the point where people start to suggest seasonal modifiers to make it interesting "Season 5: Low Gravity Mode!" And other stupid bottom of the barrel suggestions in a hope to maintain what wasnt actually bad in the first place.


    What's actually needed now, and long before any talks of a wipe, are some heavy readjustments to recipes, crafting skills, reward outlets... everything around faucets/sinks. Keep the game up and in its current state until that is mastered. Otherwise forget it.


    Suggesting a seasonal wipe as a solution to the problems this game has is like trying to reattach a severed limb with small bandaids.
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    Nobody even mentions Task Rewards and Markets and a workaround for these undermining the wipe in the first place.
    Anyone who wants to advocate wipes, should start by suggesting the fixes to justify it. Not just spamming the word wipe
     
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  17. MikeJT

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    Permadeath. :blush:
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    This.

    I think we've split this thread into two concepts - a single wipe, and an ongoing cycle of wipes.
     
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    The problem isn't how much gear people have, the problem is that the game is fucking trash in the current state due to the nature of the game. The game is good because of the PVP. But nobody can easily enjoy the PVP because of,
    -zerging
    -player skill gap
    -fear of loss
    -lack of players
    -many players lack confidence because of inability to practice against more than just their fellow shitty noob clan

    Arena will help all of these problems. It will not kill open world PVP, because you can't kill something that is already dead. I would argue that it would actually give more people the confidence to actually go out into open world PVP because they are actually able to get good through the arena. It can't completely eliminate zerging in open world because people are cunts, but it doesn't matter, because people will get their fill of "fair" fights in the arena.

    DARKFALL PVP IS BEST PVP
     
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    This.

    I think we've split this thread into two concepts - a single wipe, and an ongoing
    This is partially caused by gearflation.

    The level of gear people are running around in now is insane. It means if you're new to the game, you basically get stomped hard unless you spend hours getting gear to match what other people are rolling around in.
     
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  20. Conqueror

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    How is this even your argument? lmfao who cares? If it means for those few months the game has a lot more population, that means more money for BPG.

    We all know this, which is why people want "seasons" so every wipe they can fix blatant glaring issues that people abuse from the previous.

    "Muh Pixels!" - No one is using those pixels. The games population has been on a downward spiral for a longtime. You're holding onto nothing.
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    Yea, good luck with that. Been how long we've been asking for the same shit? It's pretty obvious they can't/don't know what to do.

    PS: Even with losing players due to "maybe next wipe" there would STILL be more pop than there currently is. Source: Every game that functions like this - POE, Rust, Tarkov.
     
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