I think that's where you made your mistake. The biggest hurdle for DF to overcome is the MMO side of its self. I've played many MMOs over the years, and I have to say I don't intend to play one ever again. That's just me. The PvP game side of DF is okay, but what holds it back is the MMO side that by its very nature demands that everything be time consuming and permanent (like stockpiling a bank and farming loot). So if you look at DF as a PvP game you're going to be very disappointed. The vast majority of people that played roa and that still play roa play it for the MMO side of its self. Most people that have followed df over the years are complete casuals and pvp pussies. In a PvP game you don't normally get the opportunity to be a giant vagina. In DF you do. It would be like a game of pubg where 99/100 people landed remote rural drops, then avoided being seen until the final circles. The reality is that in pubg maybe 10 people avoid being seen, and run to the center of circles. Then 50/100 pepole die at school and military in the first 2 minutes of the match. --- Post updated --- The asIan server died after three months and it was only some months after that it went offline.