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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Action_Jackson, Sep 21, 2015.

  1. Action_Jackson

    Action_Jackson Deadeye
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    So im really wondering where all these people suddenly come from.
    Im not reading forums for a few days and there are several new posts about the annoying "noob issue".
    Every thread its the same annoying talk.
    Lets make this for noobs and that for noobs and lets give them invulnerability shield and whatever.

    Most of us played the game for several years and we all had to progress our character and spend a lot of time to reach our ingame goals under worse circumstances.

    Many people seem to forget why darkfall failed

    - horrible launch (not enough accounts, weak server performance)
    - hardcore hacking and exploiting, duping
    - result was a massive gap in player skill and wealth
    - server split
    - eternal grind
    - totally op magic at first (splash r90)
    - nealry zero communication by AV
    - no marketing at all besides 2 or so websites that gave reviews which were bad, and this was 2009, people were buying boxes at that time. Not downloading games.
    - no updates, patches, hotfixes
    - no endgame content
    - and i forgot to mention the constant lies tasos was telling us and the community found out about
    - annoncing a bank wipe in a full loot game
    - no trials


    Df did NOT fail cause of
    - bhop
    - not enough specializations
    - new players that couldnt beat a vet, or that didnt make as much money on lower tier spawns

    We want to play darkfall, a mmorpg, not CoD where you can join the action instantly and even there you have to progress for better gear.
    This means character progression for me and a higher learning curve and darkfall even claims to be a sandbox, not a theme park game.

    Well think what you want but no sane person expects to join a game and beat the veteran higher skilled players, earn as much gold as a vet or know every trick and trade.
    I doesnt matter which game it is.

    I agree , there have to be "some changes", faster skill gain, frontloading skills, and I have some suggestions as well, but stop this faggotry pls.

    New players need an island, new players need a guide to every spawn and trick in the game, new players need 10 times faster skillgains, need bhop removed cause it might be too hard for them, next reatded suggestion will prolly be that every vet has to go to a noob city once a week and suicide with a dragon bag.

    I cant even display all the bullshit that some persons suggest here. Fix all the points i mentioned above and you already have a top game.
    And to those specialists here that dont want bhop and staffs for transfers and gobilns that drop as much gold as devil go play uw. It was f2p this weekend.

    Maybe I'm mistaken here and if thats the case pls tell me but it seems to me that here lots of carebearish forumwarriors with too much time to post. As far as i know we gathered here cause we want df back and not a totally changed game, so pls post only suggestion which are fitting for darkfall.
     
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  2. TaylorNox

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    I agree that some people are taking the catering to new players a bit far.

    However changes are needed and will be done.

    Just learn to weed out the opinions you don't agree with.

    Post your own and let the best ideas win.
     
  3. Hugo

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    Don't forget that 100% of players did anticipate that a group of new players could kill a vet and that there would be specialisations, skills caps or prestige classes - because Aventurine told us. To many, these problems are as glaring oversights as many of the other problems you mentioned.
     
  4. Neilk

    Neilk Web Development & System Admin
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    Groups of new players can kill a vet, i'm sure it happened quite regularly.
     
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  5. Old John

    Old John Goblin Scout
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    Hey guys, it's Old John here! I was really good Darkfall player and can't wait to be so again.
     
  6. yewhatever

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    it depends on how new really...

    If you got 10 people who barely played enough to know how to move around, im sure a vet could wipe them all out.
    Unless there is a starter city right next to them and they can make it back there.

    If you got 10 people who played like a week or two, im sure the vet could kill a bunch of them and get away with it.
    He might not get a lot of loot out of it, but theres no real risk of him dieing either.

    This keeps going, untill at some point they have learned to not let people hit them in melee when they get low.
    Hopefully they work together enough that they call out information to each other.
    They heal/revive each other and prevent ganking.
    At that point it becomes a game of tag almost, where the newbies keep swapping out who is taking the brunt of the damage.
    And healing up/reviving those that just tapped out.

    At that point he wont get any loot out of it, but him dieing is still unlikely unless he fucks up.

    Its not untill they become organised enough that there's (almost) no friendly fire and they dont spend too much time dicking around not doing anything usefull.

    And thats where it gets tricky.
    10 vets on new characters could prevent getting ganked from day 1.
    But thats not how you learn the game.

    Ofcourse progressing your character decreases the ammount of players you need, but i think people might underestimate just how powerfull a maxed out character really was compared to newer ones.
     
  7. miasMa

    miasMa Varangian Warthane
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    I agree 100%, and knowing that Hugo is Signus is a pretty big turnoff for me knowing that people like him are on the team. Kimoshu somewhere said they would introduce all of the staff and have yet to do that. When Signus's name was brought up in his thread they deleted those posts and locked the thread so people could see it instead of keeping his name on the thread, maybe Signus's doing who knows and who cares but I have pretty much disagreed with almost everything Signus has said since forever on Darkfall forums and I think a lot of the target audience here is in the same boat as I am.

    Cats out of the bag if you were trying to cover that up, I saw it. How can I support a kickstarter if the team has a guy who I have probably a 99% disagreement with, I would like an explanation as to why I should trust that one person will not effect the overall effort of this game coming back and not the usual "we have people from many backgrounds" phrase.

    Maybe I should quote Joseph Goebbels here "If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it." In Signus's case he may be one person but let's say he has a stance on a certain aspect of gameplay, he's always had that stance and is standing by it may eventually change your perspective on said subject even if the majority of veterans are in disagreement as we are not behind the development of the game.
     
  8. Synna

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    soon as he put up the irc thread should have told you.
     
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  9. Rawr

    Rawr Chosen of Khamset

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    Welcome!

    People just remember, the new player experience WILL come eventually. It's not made to break the old feel of the game, but make things a bit easier (like a FFSING TUTORIAL! How do you swing a sword?). It is pretty much mandatory now for games now but won't be like a safezone you can camp in 24/7 for years.

    Safe zones, will NOT return.
     
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  10. Rawr

    Rawr Chosen of Khamset

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    Please don't stir up drama please, thank you. If you have concerns, please contact Kimoshu directly as he's the project lead.

    Intros are coming, we're working on the site a bit so we can have a professional look and feel to things. We are writing up our own intros basically so people can see who we are, what we did (if anything) in DF and see if they remember us.

    Someone like me may or may not be remembered. "Rawr LotD" was just a merchant, some people did know me but I was quickly forgotten once our deal was done.

    **EDIT**: small clarification

    (Kimoshu = Andrew)
     
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  11. miasMa

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    I don't mean to stir trouble but it's kind of inevitable as Signus is on the same level as Xpiher to many, if not surpasses for some. I know who you are, I was in UDL in the beginning of DFUW and I am sure you remember me, if not I am Miasma Forced or formally UDL. I know who Kimoshu is, not personally but I have seen him around.

    Think of it this way, if the Darkfall veterans found out that Xpiher was on this team which he may very well be at this point, do you think I am going to keep it a low profile and go directly to Kimoshu and voice my concerns? No. I would post that shit on Darkfall Reddit and let everyone know, it's your teams job to be ready for this type of thing if you take on people which such history and defend your actions for working with them. Why would we support the same people who partially ruined Darkfall Online back on the team for the new Darkfall Online?

    The difference between Xpiher & Signus is Xpiher I think is either a troll or has some type of mental disability and I do say that with all respect, not making fun of mental disabilities... Whereas Signus is a huge fucking carebear and always has been.
     
  12. Aristos Giannes

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    I think there's enough sensible people working on the project to not let Signus' ideas have any real effect. But i'm with you in that if he does end up being an impactful presence, I won't be supporting this project at all and i'll be 100% with DND instead.
     
  13. Hugo

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    Did someone say my name? I felt a disturbance in the Signus.

    I assure you I'm not Signus.
     
  14. miasMa

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    I guess maybe that is why this is such a big deal, we don't know the team and knowing Signus is onboard whether he claims now to be Signus or not (Sorry pal, one of the other devs called you by your name in the IRC thread) is a big deal. Whereas say, someone I could relate to and I know has the same ideas might post and tell me there is nothing to worry about then Signus being on the team might not make much of a difference but I don't know of anyone on the team like that so there lies the issue.
     
  15. Rawr

    Rawr Chosen of Khamset

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    Not a big problem, trying to maintain a professional image, I am all for forumfall, but until we get things off the ground trying to maintain as professional as possible. (which is why I was being polite after all)

    Andrew is around he's just working very VERY hard in the background there's lots of stuff to do and we're on tight timelines.

    Was more or less making a point if anyone has any problems with our staff, you can talk to our boss, as we're trying to maintain the "professional image" as we are wanting to grow, but even we need to be kept in check.

    Back on topic I don't know of Signus or Xpiher so unfortunately, I can't comment on who they are, but like I said, trying to keep the attacks against staff to a minimum to keep people interested.

    Thanks for the understanding! <3
     
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  16. Aristos Giannes

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    I'd say the most effective thing to do is find quotes by him on forumfall that were absolutely asanine and post them here, or provide a link to them. Most people probably think it's just an exaggeration that his ideas were bad. But still, people like Umberto and Skreww are involved so I got hope
     
  17. Andrew

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    Hugo is not Signus. There's been jokes of calling him Signus on the team because he lurks the forums more than anyone and wanted to get an irc going so we jokingly call him our Signus sometimes.

    The team is diverse with people from all types of clans, jobs, talents and personalities. However things like game design and future direction are things that I myself navigate us on with input and ideas from the team and also from the community.

    I purposefully set up our internal game design group with PvP players, sandbox players, adventurers and non PvP guys as well. It's a diverse group to represent the diversity of the Darkfall community. Unfortunately we've been doing a lot of internal things lately as we are in a bit of a crunch time. Hugo is going to be our community manager and has started several initiatives that you'll start seeing in the next week. Including weekly reports to the community of some of the activity behind the scenes and some intros of some of the team.

    -Andrew
     
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  18. Neilk

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    Haha sorry buddy, Hugo is not Signus. That was me and that was a running joke I have going with Hugo. I can assure you I would not be joking with Signus and I thought that was an obvious joke.
     
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  19. Aristos Giannes

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    That's great to hear. I'm all for having voices from all different walks of life involved in the design to make the game feel more fleshed out and appealing, but Signus just continually proposed ideas that seemed to be in the opposite direction of DFO's original momentum. It sounds like you guys have plenty of people working on the project already, but i'd love to be a part of the game design in some aspect, especially balancing or tweaking combat.
     
  20. miasMa

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    That's not a funny joke :( Why you heff to be so cruel...