I actually never understood the hate vs SUN. Not having anything against a particular clan. I thought that the F300 alliance was some super lame move in my eyes. Especially the propaganda that was being used. F300 alliance took pride in winning sieges while the fact of the matter is they already lost since they had to ally up so many different clans just to ensure to win. You cant brag about shit if you got 2x or 3x times their numbers, can you? I didn't understood the necessity to make that alliance. Litterly EVERY clan zerged and it was not like they took the whole map or kept adding up holdings. They actually didnt add/sieged any holdings a whole year before that F300 came. Shit seemed hypocriticall to me. Blaming SUN for things that almost every clan has done. Most clans zerged way harder than SUN ever did. When I went to TFK, Siberia or The Horde/Painkillers holdings...damn! Never complained about that because well...thats what you get when you are only a 3+ man clan with no alliance. I don't know why clans decided to join that alliance. Was is the propaganda? Probaly a master move by Foggen to play those clans like his little puppets. Respect for Foggen to that though! It's just my view from the outside though. Not been in SUN! So don't hate me now. But the fact at the matter is people like to point their fingers and say that's the bad guy while keeping a blind eye to their own actions. I could go on like this. I like to add. After that war was over the slowly population went to shit. Is that what you wanted to accomplish? It was not a healthy move for the server. You need to have some enemy to fight that's actually a challenge to fight otherwise shits get pretty boring.