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Will enchanting tables be scrambled for launch?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mrW, Apr 26, 2017.

  1. mrW

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    Will enchanting tables be scrambled for launch?
     
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  2. Quin Tessence

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    Now they will be, look what you have started!

    Watch Dirt get added to enchanting and replace 66% of the ingredients needed, forcing players to farm dirt!
     
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  3. Wes Furtive

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    I'd bet naw. Easier to just rework how obtainable mats are methinks
     
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    I don't believe we have any plans to scramble enchanting recipes.
     
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  5. DarkGhost25

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    Oh really? I know the devs said they were going to scramble enchanting recipes months ago.
     
  6. Bloodscar

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    I believe it was looked into but with it being so close to launch and no decision really being made on it, it more then likely won't happen.
     
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    Alright. That is totally fine with me, but please make sure they buff hoarfrost and maybe shadowcrest, and blood :)
     
  8. Quin Tessence

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    They really just need to buff Quintessence :tearsofjoy:
     
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    Even if they were, it would only be days at the longest before they are re-found and re-posted.
    The only reason it took as long as it did the first time around was because very few people knew putting enchanted mob drop items into the wheel gave you the recipe. Now everyone knows that.

    Basically it would be a ton of work to do right without breaking the economy.....
    All for something that wouldn't really do jack shit.
     
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  10. DarkGhost25

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    I just hope that all enchanting material types will be important in some way, the really bad ones are only used for transmutes and most people just use Q1 transmutes.
     
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    There will always be opportunity to add new crafts and or uses for underused resources and add new things to make different locations more sought after.
     
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    Alright :) I'm very eager and curious to see how this plays out :)
     
  13. Animal

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    That's not true at all.

    I seldom enchant lower than q4 when transmuting. Ice bows and 1 handed transmutes of any variety are my go to enchants. Ice bows for PvE and the 1H transmutes for a mixture of mounted combat pvp and pve.
     
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    Just because that's what you do doesn't make my statement false. Most people don't use transmutes at all and the ones that do tend to just use Q1, even if they use Q2 or Q3 the damage is often identical. Even Q4 and Q5 transmutes are rarely used because the materials are too valuable/important, Q5 hoarfrost sells for 200 gold while q5 horn can fetch 2000 to 5000.
     
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    Greenleaf is the worst one by far. Q3 to Q5 there's only one mobs droping each one and Q4 drop is very bad at 10% ! Deathless mage needs a nerf with his 6 different skin/loot drop !
     
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    I was referring to usefulness, not drop rates :) I know the drop rates will all be different though!
     
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    Find me a group of people using q1-3 transmutes for farming or pvp weapons. The damage formula pretty much dictates you use r60/q3+

    Elemental and physical debuffs make farming with q4/5 transmutes temporally and stat efficient. I feel fairly inclined to think you don't understand how end-game spawns differs from low/mid tier spawns. Speed is crucial when cycling spawns and high quality enchants help to mitigate the time needed to cycle. Grab yourself some acid daggers and farm the dark dragons on cairn with acid and piercing debuff as a duo with q1 enchants, rather than q4 and get back to me.
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    Or try to 3 man the fire dragon with those q1 ice bows. You'll be there for 2+ hours.

    We should also make it abundantly clear that shadow spirit spawns require either elemental magic or transmuted weapons. Try to clear some of the larger shadow spirit spawns with q1 weapons and let me know if you're remotely able to clear and loot efficiently.

    You specifically referenced horn when discussing the disparity between value and it should be noted that horn is always in demand because of feather, stamina efficiency, 1h lightning transmute, and ice transmute enchants. It's an outlier.
     
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    In my testing the damage rolls were close to identical between q1 and q4 transmutes, and using an r60 versus an r40 didn't change much either. An r60 Q4 transmute vs an r40 q1 transmute often had the same damage, to be more clear. If I'm missing something, please enlighten me. Regarding the desirability of q4/q5 hoarfrost and similar transmute mats, the larger concern is not usefulness but market value. There may be a minute portion of the population that uses r60/Q4 transmutes but that doesn't justify the materials being largely ignored. Hoarfrost in general is difficult to sell at any price, blood is in a similar spot.
     
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    I'd suggest you check again.

    I took 15 samples per test to figure out the formula to a fair confidence.

    Usefulness presupposes decent market value.
     
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    Kind of hard to check now. I did a lot of testing on it as well, not sure how we are seeing a discrepancy here. Regarding your last comment, when there is a sub-continent infamous for dropping a material that has no market value that is a glaring problem.