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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vader2103, May 20, 2020.

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  1. Shieldbreaker

    Shieldbreaker Undead Dwarf
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    And this is a problem how, when it costs 20 mil for 120 all stats, or easily 300+k per a solid set?

    You are literally complaining about rewards for playing the game? What do you want, less incentives to play/pve/roam?
     
  2. Searven

    Searven Goblin Scout
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    I am always against wipes in Darkfall. it would accomplish nothing but reset people banks for a few weeks and make the game less appealing to the crowd that likes persistent worlds which i believe is the main playerbase mmos have in general.
    Overall it would hurt the population more than anything else. The people not playing right now that claim would come back for a wipe are not the ones that will stick around anyway.


    As people have already said, it is quite easy for veterans to reach a certain gear level ingame. For casuals tho? Not that easy, vets would run around in r60 gear in a week or two and not lose it in pvp and casuals or simply people that are not good in pvp would need a lot longer to catch up again. It would be fun for the vets, but for everyone else? Not so much.

    I think the only way to ever retain a decent playerbase is by refining the new player experience to a level where people actually understand whats going on in this game... add stuff that would interest new players but is of no interest to the vets, promote newbie pvp, etc.
     
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  3. Garou

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    If something takes 0 effort everyones going to be doing it all the time, hence why I term it passive income.

    Since everyone is going to be acquiring passive income all the time, the items which can be acquired passively become massively inflated, which in turn makes everything that can't be acquired passively (such as 120 pots) extremely expensive in comparison.

    This makes any monster in the game whose main loot can be acquired passively (any mob that drops gold, or rare ore, etc in our current state) absolutely worthless to kill.

    Why do you think it takes 300k for a "decent gear bag"?

    DFO had significantly less passive income, and the passive income that was there did not scale(mines) which made it less significant due to the higher playerbase.

    For most of DFO a decent gear bag was a bone set r5 or r6 mobdrop and an unenchanted bbolt, literally cost like 6k.

    RoA however is massively inflated, and hence the standard for a decent gear bag has become almost the best possible gearbag.

    the massive influx of passive gold from villages and chaos chests has also made things like small/medium maps and keys below leenspar an absolute waste of time.

    Passive income also deincentivizes active playing.

    why put in effort for 10k an hour if you can passively get 7k an hour?
     
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  4. Searven

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    The standart gear bag is bb/r50 staff, bone/fp with r50/r60 weapons. You gonna see unenchanted bb + bone more often than cobra + infernal. That is my experience of playing activly after village patch. Before that the standart gear level appeared to be a lot higher but that is not the case anymore. I am playing for slightly longer than 4 months now, so can not say how it was earlier than that.

    There is no activity that rewards 10k/h realy. Even just harvesting is gonna earn you more money than that. Just farming q3 for 1h is more like 40k+/h.

    Medium maps and leen keys are extremly good as well.
     
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    I would play both in a heart beat. However keep the UI and Maket Place improvements. I also would go back to New Dawn if that was possible.
     
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  6. Garou

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    I should have said why work for 10$ an hour if you can lay on the couch for 7$ an hour.

    Did not realize theres some drooling retards up and about
     
  7. Shieldbreaker

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    Maybe on NA-1, that server was notorous for being omega casual. Everywhere else at least fp helmet + some plate fillers and q3 keened r50+ was minimum to be viable.

    What? Logging in to do stuff, roaming the world, pveing/pvping is not passive income, you gotta be online and out there to get them. Passively you only get meditation gains, nothing else. And q3+ pve gets you way more profit/hr than camping a mine/searching for ore veins + chaos chests ever will.

    I legit do not understand your complaint. Active players should not be able to get anything at all outside of the very most contested hotspots? That is how you discourge all the newbies and semi-casual crowd.

    If your point is that the very riskiest spawns in game, with global announcements/easy scouting/long time spent at spawn, should be more profitable for the risk involved, that I could agree with. But the very mediocre loot from low-end activites existing is bad how?
     
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  9. Conqueror

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    Look up how inflation works.

    The only reason it is 20 mil for 120 all stats and 300+K per solid set is because its so easy to get gold.

    It's so easy to farm and get wealth in this game that everyone has it.
     
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    Wipe isnt the Way. It destroys too much. Raise the Levels Cap for the new grind
     
  11. Sorrow Avaritia

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    There isn't enough people to support seasons, it would just end up with both servers being dead, you also need fresh content or a reason for people to go to the new season.

    There is also zero point in a wipe, the game is in a worse state than it was b4 launch, the game doesn't feel anywhere near as smooth as it use to and it is now really easy to level up. Even if it did bring back a bunch of people they would quickly leave ending up in the same position the game is in now other than now people will be pissed off that they wiped when they said they wouldn't.

    Although I agree that a wipe + relaunch is needed to get this game to a decent population a lot of things need to be changed / added to the game b4 there would ever be any point in doing so.
     
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    wipe and revert 90%
     
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    revert back to uw
     
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    I’m pretty sure 90% of the community believes the game was in better state in beta.
     
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    And this is all enabled at such pace by the marketplace. Therefore it is now a part of the game.
    The way to address and adjust this is through changes to loot packs and existing systems. A wipe is useless when there is a new standard for wealth and such open access to it if/when you want.
    Not to mention the nithron store creating both supply and demand for new items of sizeable prices.
    You can buy-in to the game economy immediately too. Right now with GameTime Tokens alone, you can, if you wanted, purchase 2500 nithron coins and turn it all into almost 4 million gold within seconds. That is not an economic problem.. It is a change in the way things work now.



    Approx 80 people in the grid at the Kryzerok siege last week and only 2 dragon sets in use, if not just 1.. And one of the clans was Blackwater.
    Half of these wipe talks are total hearsay - and probably why the devs, who have access to all the data, are constantly telling you that there's not gonna be a wipe.
     
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  16. Garou

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    might have something to do with the fact that holdings are literally worthless, dragon is expensive, and the benefits of dragon over infernal do not justify the price increase at all.

    Not only are holdings almost useless because you can travel anywhere with runebooks, they are also expensive to upkeep.

    High end armour is all underwhelming in this game, I mean encumberance to protection ratios for fp are literally superior to dragon/infernal. (except on helmets where I think infernal is the best and chest pieces where dragon is the best) so for a mage dragon is literally useless, and for a full heavy melee player dragon is very slightly superior to infernal.
     
  17. KoKane

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    The same people asking for wipes are the same types who wanted those village changes to happen (you know the ones where the faucets basically burst open for a while).
    And they're of the same mind that if you simply 'give more stuff' as a reward for activities, that it equates to better gameplay and somehow generates fun organic combat.

    And if that doesn't work.. Oh, well just wipe and try again.


    If population ever dips, which it does for niche games like this, you're gonna have those people who dont quit and keep playing. That's not an economic problem either, that they get rich.
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    Well its quite obvious that holdings are not 'literally' worthless and some of them are very good. In general could they have more purpose to them? Yeah I'd say definitely, but that's not related to the thread.
    The min maxing of the higher tier armours is a fair point. I mentioned my observation because people will go as far as saying "everyone has so many dragon sets!" or "people are stacked in q5 all the time"
    Both are a complete lie, and tend to get thrown around a lot in these conversations about wipe or economy. Stuff like that just highlights how irrelevant the contents of peoples banks can be to others.
     
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  18. Garou

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    The thing is people are actually loaded, but people dont want to wear their good shit because the good shit is more valuable than the holdings and barely makes a difference because numbers matter so much more than gear. All wearing full dragon does is make yourself a huge target on the battlefield.

    Losing already sucks, especially if you get zerged which is almost always the case, even fights are extremely rare. Knowing that your zergers got a really good bag from you too just makes it worse, and people would rather wear shit, even if they have 1000s of q5 mats.
     
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    No one wants a wipe you fuck tard. Are you not enabled enough to take other peoples pixels in game rather than on the forums?
    God these threads are fucking cancer to the Darkfall community. Why the moderation team even finds this acceptable for five minutes is beyond me. Darkfall has been fucked by SHITBOI Astroturfing fuck tards for TEN FUCKING YEARS. AND ITS STILL GOING ON.
     
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  20. Garou

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    I want a wipe so youre wrong there.
     
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